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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
17 June 2005, 5:13 PM
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CANDIR1
Joined 15 Jun 2005
3 posts
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Have just been back to LR with my Freelander after Head Gasket going. Since replacement of gasket, three lights have kept going on Traction Control, ABS, Hill Descent. They checked there was a piece of cardboard over the sensor switch!! They replaced the switch, and then checked further, gues what now I have to have Drive Shaft replaced!! May not be covered in my warantity. Theyare getting in touch next week, when they have called a specialist in. Any one with ANY advice or information would be very grateful. Thanks
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
17 June 2005, 5:17 PM
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CANDIR1
Joined 15 Jun 2005
3 posts
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Hi, also having problems with my freelander, check that the 2001 modification to the thermostat has been made. This apparently is relevant to the head gasket problems. Hope this is of some help.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
22 June 2005, 5:23 PM
 Edited by Jon 22 June 2005, 5:26 PM
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Jon
Joined 6 May 2005
387 posts
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Hi to everyone.Just a point I note that dealers are using the old warranty chesnut. 'If not serviced as per the manufacturers manual' etc. This get out for them only applies if the item failing is a service item. in other words if you can show that even with a service the fault was not detectable then their argument fails. This is as per the recent Disco oil pump failure (as seen on Watchdog) where it was due to an essembly problem in the factory. The gasket fault appears to a be a design fault and is therefore a product liabilty matter. If so this falls outside the Warranty. You could only be held liable if you failed to respond to a recall where they intended to fix this fault. However, I don't remember any such recall.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
22 June 2005, 7:59 PM
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jaq200
Joined 6 May 2005
13 posts
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Hi Graham and Chris,Would this service chestnut also apply to the drive shaft as I notice this also appears to be a problem with the Freelander?
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
22 June 2005, 11:39 PM
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Jon
Joined 6 May 2005
387 posts
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Yes if it's an item which would not be inspected as part of any routine service, or be undetectable until actual failure.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
23 June 2005, 8:54 AM
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Graham
Joined 1 Jun 2005
16 posts
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I agree in that if it can be shown that a fault would not be detected during a service then the service defence is irrelevant.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
23 June 2005, 7:42 PM
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Matt
Joined 17 May 2005
13 posts
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I agree, speaking to a mechanic mate of mine, HG are not covered under any normal service as it is almost impossible to tell that they are going to fail prior to it happening, and you certainly would not expect them to go before 60K miles (especially when you consider that a modern engine is designed for 150k miles). Therefore LR using the servicing agument (plus all the others they use) is a complete farse! It is a fundamental design fault, otherwise why did they change the design on the later models!!
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
24 June 2005, 7:12 AM
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fraggle
Joined 9 Jun 2005
7 posts
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I have now got my car back, apparently an exhaust valve had burnt out and it was not the head gasket.This is also a design fault on these engines. When the car does lots of small journeys carbon builds up around the base of the stem preventing it from closing and then the hydraulic tappet closes up and permanently hols it open. The fix is to ream more clearence out of the bottom of the guide. Landrover paid 50% of the bill for this as a goodwill gesture leaving me £525. They will not pay anymore becuase the thing hasn't been serviced according to schedule. Whilst I serviced at or before the specified mileage 18 months elapsed between the 12K service and 24K service and LR say this not in accordance with their advice and it is 4 yrs old. When discussing this with the dealer - who I have to say was very efficient and very helpful, his thoughts were that LR would claim that the lack of an oil change at the specified interval could have adversely affected the operation of the valve train. It's nice to have it back, having spent 2 weeks in a Renault Clitoris Automatic with a black interior (V hot in this weather) and the LR now goes really really fast - well it would with a driver who is 500lbs lighter. On a more positive note the dealer is convinced that mine has all the cooling system mods in place together with the modified head gasket and head furniture so the head gasket should not be a problem for me.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
24 June 2005, 5:00 PM
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Jon
Joined 6 May 2005
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Hi Glad your happy. I would mention that the build up of carbon is as you say a design fault & not a service item therefore whilst your dealer may be very nice, he is also very wrong in saying that Landrover (they might try) can use such an argument. The damage to the valve did not occur due to aged oil, it happened because of a design fault. Landrover got off lightly. Also I would strongly suggest that you confirm in writing with your dealer what he told you.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 June 2005, 12:29 PM
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mikea
Joined 28 Jun 2005
4 posts
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I just got a call from my dealer to say that my 2002 1.8 Serengeti has head gasket failure - they are just looking to see if any other damage has occured.I've owned the car from new, it has a main dealer full service history, it's done 40,000 miles and the warranty ran out in April this year (8 weeks ago!). The garage it is at is the one I bought it from and the one which serviced it. Under warranty it has already had a new steering rack and a new exhaust manifold. When they call back this afternoon I will be expecting to be told that it's down to me - but will be ready with the info at hand to go to battle.... Any tips on the first approach?
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 June 2005, 12:34 PM
Edited by mikea 28 June 2005, 12:35 PM
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mikea
Joined 28 Jun 2005
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Wouldn't mind your reg number to quote as a reference if they start claiming that they have "never paid out for this before" as I suspect they will.(this is in reply to the offer from duncanfitz on a previous page - can't seem to post as a reply)
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 June 2005, 12:37 PM
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rrockettman
Joined 20 Jan 2003
58 posts
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Hi Mikea.
I think you should have a stiff drink and prepare to engage in battle!
Having said that, if your dealer is one of the good ones, he should support you in your claim. After all, he relies on your future business.
Good luck.
Russ.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 June 2005, 12:41 PM
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mikea
Joined 28 Jun 2005
4 posts
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Thanks Russ,
My dealership is Harwoods in West Sussex. Anybody else already dealt with them on this issue I wonder?
I suppose we will see if they are one of the good ones in the next few days....... somehow, I doubt it.
Mike
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 June 2005, 1:24 PM
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Ann
Joined 29 Jun 2005
2 posts
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I so sick I've discovered this forum! My 98 Freelander 60,000 miles serviced and well looked after just died a death yesterday. No warning, no nothing, just stopped. Had it towed to my Freelander dealer who sold me the car 2 years ago...they come back to say the engine is seized and will need to be replaced. i cant believe it that there was no warning.
Does anyone know if this is the same as a head gasket going as I havent had a second opinion...and judging from LR's history from this forum...I wouldnt trust them now!Any ideas as to how I should approach this? Ann
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 June 2005, 6:33 PM
Edited by Jon 29 June 2005, 6:37 PM
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Jon
Joined 6 May 2005
387 posts
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Hi MikeaPlease read the rest of the blogs. Suggest you go backwards from yours, you will see advice on this matter. I will reiterate If the failure is the result of a design fault, which I believe it is, You will know this if they tell you they are having to modify the HG or bolts or change the valve seating etc Then your expired warranty is not relevant. The only time the warranty argument is valid is if the failed item would have been detectable at service, & if so as you have complied with the Manufacturers service manual then you have a claim against the servicing dealer. Either way they lose & you win although it's going to be a hell of a fight. I suggest that, as soon as they advise you you are liable that you instruct lawyers ASAP.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 July 2005, 0:33 AM
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junklander
Joined 1 Jul 2005
32 posts
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Now that I have traded my 2000 Freelander(for $A10000.00 or $A3800.00 net - after repairs)I would like to add my story to the long list of outraged Freelander owners. Firstly I would say to any prospective Landrover buyers...Don't !!! For any Freelander owners ... get rid of it NOW!!! My 1.8lt petrol Freelander blew its head gasket right on que at 60000kms. I was told by a mechanic that the prblem was a design fault in the cylinder linings, and there is no repair procedure. My only option was an engine replacement. The car was "offroad" for 6 weeks and the ordeal cost me $A 6200.00 in repairs and I lost another $A 17000.00 in depreciation over 5 years. The re-sale value of this car is appauling. I asked a Landrover dealership mechanic if this is a common fault with this car..he said "no more common than any other car". I then spoke to a salesman in the same dealership and asked for a trade figure on my Freelander in it's current state and he said..."The trade value will be low because the engine in this model has some reliability issues". Landrover Australia washed their hands of the problem saying that the car is out of warranty and they will not cover ANY repair costs. I have been told by several mechanics that the 1.8lt engine fitted to Freelanders has a lifespan of between 50000 and 100000 kms. Because of the design flaw they will ALL fail and the only option is replacement. Landrover should face reality and take responsibility for this poorly built motor car. Folks, spread the word and take my advise, don't by a Landrover, and if you have a Freelander, get rid of it !
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 July 2005, 5:08 PM
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mikea
Joined 28 Jun 2005
4 posts
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Update to my previous message. Luckily my dealer has spoken to LR directly and they are replacing my engine free of charge completely. Dealer has been good, although yet to see the car back. We shall see...........Mikea
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
4 July 2005, 6:45 PM
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johnboy
Joined 30 Jun 2005
11 posts
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Just brousing through, because i have the same head problems with my partners Rover 114GSI R reg, My buddys son is a mechanic at Landrover main dealers, my K series engine is from the same stable albeit 8 valve. This guy changes on average about 9 engines a week on the petrol freelanders. The cause is the piston liners in the block are secured useing locktite, these vibrate loose and wear a groove in the cylinder head, he tells me the head cannot be skimmed and that even if a new gasket does a temp fix, that there is no fix for the lininers vibrating and continueing to groove the cylinder head. he has had new freelanders with 30k on the clock where they have found water in the oil sump. It appears there are several major design faults with these engines. But yet they continue to sell them.all you guys should get together en mass and sue the hell out of landrover.
johnboy
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
5 July 2005, 7:52 AM
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clive
Joined 5 Jul 2005
7 posts
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I bought a 1 owner well looked after 1.8 for my wife. The head gasket let go during a 6 mile journey with no warning. This has resulted in a factory replacement engine £2700 all in. I have written to Land Rover as it is long out of warranty with 63k on the clock, Looking through this forum surely land rover have a lot to answer!!.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
5 July 2005, 10:48 AM
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Mark
Joined 5 Jul 2005
20 posts
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The petrol Freelander is without question the worst Land Rover ever launched!I own 6 "old" series vehicles (1959 - 1984) which built Land Rover's off-road reputation, due to reliability, ease of repair and generally the ability to go "anywhere". The only link to this superb pedigree with the Freelander is the Land Rover badge. During a weak moment I purchased a secondhand 1.8i 5 door for my wife.
As the vehicle was previously supplied and serviced by the main dealer with full service history, and an engine replacement had been carried out at 60,000 due to head gasket failure, I assumed that the well known problem had been tackled. At 76,000 guess what? Blown head gasket.
Despite numerous calls to Land Rover they refused to cover another warranty claim, and as a result I had to fund the repair myself.
Out of curiosity I contacted the original supplier of the vehicle and obtained all of the service records and warranty work carried out on this vehicle.
Land Rover had covered nearly £10,000 worth of warranty repairs since new, obviously this was the reason for their refusal to cover any further work. To my horror I checked the expansion tank water level last night and it's losing coolant once again. My advice - just don't bother with the model it's certainly the "Worst 4 x4 by far".
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