Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Sell it quick before the HG fails again.
Hope your lucky.
Hello Graham Just read your input about your failed LR back in 2005. I'm too having the same problem. Bought my vehicle brand new from Bushbury LR in 2004. I'm now looking at it's fourth head gasket in the space of 5-6months to be replaced. I have refused and refered it to Trading Standards who are now asking me for information about documentation that LR have the problem with this design fault. Where did you get the relevent documentation at the moment i have taken documents off the internet as my proof. I would be grateful if you point me in the right direction. Many thanks Another Disappointed Landy Owner Tracey
Tracey (TP) Thanks for your input. I managed to get my head gasket and engine re-placed from LR Free of charge... However Im now needing a fourth HG replacement. I since sent the details to Trading Standards to see if they can help me in my fight. I really love driving my Freelander it's a FAb vehicle it's just a shame about the design fault that goes with it. Perhaps i'll buy a disel next time???
My apologises to ALL Engine Re-conditioners, my intention wasn't to upset or appear to be 'slagging off'. I merely was frustrated at what info i had been told at that time. However it's now May 08 and Des i'm now looking at my 4th HG re-placement to be changed from LR. Regards Tracey (TP)
That's no problem and I do understand. It's a complex issue and not one that an engine reconditioner can and should have to deal with. Engine reconditioners are doing their best to be helpful. If your engine is to basic specification and it has a Land Rover MLS gasket fitted to it there is no reason why such an engine will fail for a long time. A special type of sealant must also be used with the head gasket (not Land Rover recommended). The one thing all owners simply must do after their engine has been repaired is check the coolant level weekly and before setting out on a motorway trip (both ways). Once again I can suggest a company who will fix your Freelander engine as well as it is possible to do it but, the basic cost is around 1500 quid as the liners have to come out as the block and liners are altered. Kindest regards Des Hammill
I also took of the driveshaft of my FL after I got it back and I must say what a huge difference. Although it is only a 4x2 now, it drive like a dream. Try it - you won't be dissapointed.
I'd be interested to know the response you get from Trading Standards. I am currently involved with them over another issue regarding consumer law and safety. I'll soon be updating the website with information about TS and I'm planning on revisiting the LR problems as a wide part of consumer law and it's failings. The Link to the site is http://freelander.webhop.net Regards Gavin Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
Thanks for your input. Sadly i'm not mechanically minded (medically yes) so what you are saying i'm hearing but not understanding. How will i know whether my engine is of basic spec (ive not modernised it or adding anything to it) is that what you mean... SORRY. Also what is a Land Rover MLS gasket and how will i know if that's been fitted. I had fitted on the 20/03/08 replacement headgasket,along with nut-flanged, washer-sealing, belt-timing, gasket inlet, filter assy-element, gasket- cylinder head, gasket cover, gasket thernostat-mousin, gasket, bolt cylinder head. Which means nothing to me???? Now is that what goes into the head gasket to make it up??? All those details where itemised on the invoice from LR as the job details.
Land Rover are only fitting MLS (multi-layer shim) head gaskets now and have been since January 2005. They are easy to recognise because they are black in colour. They DO NOT however cure the problems in the engine but mask the problems for longer than the SLS (single layer shim) head gaskets as fitted to all engines 1989-2005 in production which, is better than nothing. Land Rover do nothing to 'modernise' the engine as you term it as that isn't really possible. If your engine was to specification when the MLS head gasket was fitted, all will be well with your engine for some time to come like 50,000 miles. It'll fail in the end because of the liner dropping down problem. I would advise anyone who owns one of these cars to check the oil and coolant level weekly and, before any motorway trip is undertaken. This does mean a lot of bonnet up checks but it is worthwhile, it could save your engine. I have fitted an extra 2 litres of coolant under the reservoir on a couple of engines which gives some extra leeway and provides a better head for coolant flow into the engine if it does run low on coolant. I understand how difficult it is for non-technical people, it's the same for me on medical things for example, I haven't any knowledge of that field at all. This is the problem with the Land Rover response and approach to its customers, the customer base has little or no idea of what is going on, what to do or, who to believe etc. Kindest regards Des Hammill
THERE IS ONLY ONE THING TO DO IF YOU ARE ON HERE FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON OF OWNING ONE OF THESE PILES OF C*RAP SELL SELL SELL SELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND ASAP. I WAS STUNG LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER 1.8 FREELANDER OWNERS. EVEN BETTER.......................ALL GET TOGETHER AND BLOCKADE LAND ROVERS HEAD OFFICE ENTRANCE TO HIGHLIGHT YOUR PLIGHT!!! MAKE SURE 'WATCHDOG' ARE INVITED ASWELL. ABOUT 2% OF OWNERS OF THESE 'TIMEBOMBS' HAVE BEEN TREATED IN THE CORRECT MANNER BY THEIR LANDROVER DEALER AND RECEIVED A BRAND NEW ENGINE FREE.....................BUT THE PROBLEM WONT GO AWAY AS IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN................TRUST ME! I PAID £2500 TO HAVE MINE FIXED AND SOLD IT ON, LOSING ANOTHER £5K OFF THE VALUE. THE POOR SOD WHO BOUGHT IT OFF ME THEN PHONED ME 3 WEEKS LATER SAYING HE AND HIS FAMILY WERE NEARLY KILLED ON THE M11 WHEN HIS HEAD GASKET BLEW!!! THESE ARE DEATH TRAPS AND LAND ROVER ARE A DISGRACE FOR NOT DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM AT THE TIME.
Something which keeps on cropping up is this " nearly killed on the motorway " comment . There have been a few people who i believe have contacted VOSA about this issue . I cant see VOSA taking this on board to be honest , if your vehicle breaks down anywhere there is always going to be a safety issue and a chance that someone else can smash into you but it is somewhat different to a vehicle with an inherent brake or steering fault where it could fly from the road and kill you and other people . They are far from " death traps " if this were the case they would have been removed from our roads long ago . As far as im aware they have no inherent safety related issue which deems them death traps , several suffered from the handbrakes releasing and the brake servo mounts becoming loose but that was addressed about 7 yrs ago with an extensive recall programme . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
Try telling that to someone whose travelling at 70 mph on a motorway and their head gasket blows!! Face the facts here................LR are the most irresponsible car manufacturer on the planet!! Don't forget that this engine problem was the same problem suffered on Rover vehicles with the same k series engine and guess what................surprise surprise................ALL those vehicles were recalled by Rover on safety grounds. Do you honestly believe LR care about anybody on this forum?? If they did the forum wouldn't have been needed would it! It will take someone being killed for LR to even open the files let alone help any customers financially with their massive losses on these vehicles. My final word on the matter stays the same..................DON'T TOUCH A 1.8 FREELANDER WITH A BARGEPOLE!! If you are unlucky to own one at the moment................SELL IT!!!
The h/gasket could blow on any vehicle at any time , likewise it could break down in the fast lane of the motorway for a totally unrelated reason like gearbox failure for instance it will still render the vehicle a danger . Land Rover irresponsible ....thats a tough one , take a look at the Ford Pinto story for a better example . I expect Land Rover DONT care about anyone on this forum , all i will say is that if your vehicle is in its 3 yr warranty then youre ok it will be done foc ( most wont be now ) if your vehicle is upto 4 yrs old and has good service history then there is a very good chance that you will get a good post warranty contribution in alot of cases 100%. If your vehicle is between 4-5 yrs you may get 25-50% if youre lucky . If its 6 yrs or over then youre flogging a dead horse to be honest , many people forget that Land Rover in alot of cases give post warranty upto 5 yrs alot of manafactures wouldnt do that . Please dont get me wrong im not backing up Land Rover here but im giving you my take on it , personally i wouldnt recommend anyone buying a Kseries Freelander either , all im saying is that this fault in my opinion doesnt make it a death trap likewise i believe that Lr have not been irresponsible about this if we are talking safety . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
There seems to be a conflict of opinion here. Personally, I agree with Clanger - and I have spoken to Jeffrey Sweeting at VOSA (he runs the show by the way) and you're right - they don't care. However, the fact that the design/product fault (call it what you you will, it's a product fault in the expert witness document I have) does cause the engine to sieze, must be construed as a danger in high speed road situations. I have anecdotal evidence from several people who say they were lucky not to be injured. And yes Dudkat I did bring this up, I reported it to the department of transport in 2004 - so if anyone has been hurt since then it's not my fault, and I've spoken to watchdog, who, to be frank, do not have the guts to air the program. Aside from ripping the UK motoring public off Land Rover have also lied in court about the problem - and if they want to sue me for libel then bring it on - the case was in Hertford November 2007. Nuff Said Gavin http://freelander.webhop.net (PS The consequences of their intransigence over this issue is more far reaching than they imagine)
Its not the fact that they dont care , it is not a directly related safety issue end of , if it were a suspension fault ( which without warning ) caused the vehicle to career across the road and have the potential to cause serious injury then it would be looked into . A headgasket failing however isnt , you could classify any engine fault on any vehicle which has the result of the engine stopping as a hazzard which could cause danger , there is the option of course to coast to the hard shoulder ! ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
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Edited by dudkat72 1 June 2008, 5:02 PM
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