Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Sorry but im somewhat confused here , what happened to the steering of your vehicle when your engine cut out that made you loose control of it ? Sure you would have lost the assistance from the pump which would have made the steering go stiff but you still WOULD have had steering so i dont quite understand that one . You would of also lost the brake servo but at that speed you would of been able to stop the vehicle with assistance because the servo would not have been depleated , it would have gone hard after the 3rd or 4th depression . Engines seizing on these vehicles isnt a regular occurence , however headgasket failure is which doesnt always result in your engine siezing . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
I topped it up as it was a bit low and later after driving it found the water had gone a borwny colopur again. Is this the dreaded HG problem and what can I do before it fails completely?..and how much is it likely to cost? Thanks
The lady lost control of her car which probably scared the crap out of her and you question her integrity. I have driven cars that have lost power on a race track and have also driven cars with no assistance. At low speeds the steering is indeed very heavy and can be difficult to control. If you are cruising along slowly (lets say 20mp/h which is approx 32km/h) and all of a sudden you loose your engine, which will in turn will stop the drive to the diff and also the steering assistance you may indeed panic and find it difficult to remain in control, especially with a vehicle of that weight, with other cars around and little room for error. So back off and leave the poor lady alone. If she says she lost control of the car then she lost control of her car, that should be good enough for you to believe her. People should stop making excuses for LD and start helping the consumer a little. After all they are the ones paying for these wonderful cars. So Karen, if you are reading this I hope you are OK and would suggest you get it fixed ASAP and get rid of it.
I would like to know where you have the idea that people are " backing up " Land Rover ? This is a public forum , iam replying to a post about a vehicle losing control at 20mph when the engine has cut out , i was asking what had happened to make her lose control as she did . Do you not think that in the years i have been driving that ive never had a car cut out on me , in 10 yrs of working with this vehicle ive broken down in quite a few and at higher speeds , on motorways and on normal roads , incidentally this didnt make me lose control or pose any other serious danger . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
Maybe the lady had never had this sort of thing happen. I guess panic may have played a role. Not everyone expects a vehicle weighing about 2 ton to just stop, maybe the steering was too heavy for her to turn. Either way, a misfortunate accident that may have been worse. Again, sorry to come off sounding rude but it seems that a lot of people are being questioned about the car, about the service history, avout what they were doing at the time. The engine in these vehicles is just not good enough. Lets hope LD admit it one day. Enjoy the rest of your day. I'm going home for a cold beer. Cheers mate
I have spoken to Mr Sweeting at VOSA and he has checked the police records for accidents involving Freelanders and as it happens not one person has been killed as a result of an engine failure on the motorways of the UK. They will not be taking any action because there is no reason to do so based on past evidence. If there had been people killed they definitely would have taken action. It's not pleasant to have an engine failure of the type many people have had on motorways and as I understand it more than one car has stopped dead in the fast lane. Lucky for them obviously, no one was killed. There is no inherent safety issue as such with the Freelander as you say although the engine type of failure (motorway) is not a normal occurance with most cars but it is a bit too common on the Freelander to be ignored and is cause for concern. Personally I'm amazed that no one has been killed during one of these motorway engine failures but the police files say no one has to date. Kindest regards Des Hammill
You are quite right that when the head gasket blows while driving down a motorway it isn't a pleasant experience for anyone including technically minded people. I'm not aware of Rover/MG-Rover recalling any of their cars on safety grounds due to the engine. I personally don't think Land Rover has been responsible enough in this instance and they still say that there is no inherent problem with the engine. This is what I take issue with actually as they know very well what a problem the engine has been. They say that they have been as helpful as they can be to most owners. I don't think that Land Rover are bothered about anyone on this forum and I doubt very much whether they would look at it; curiosity perhaps but no interest. Kindest regards Des Hammill
I too have, in the past, spoken to Mr Sweeting & the problem with his answer is that the police aren't aware there's a problem of sudden engine failures causing loss of power steering as a possible primary cause of any accident. If they knew of the existing problem they might investigate & record them as being the cause or at least a major contributing factor ___________________ cris
I think that the badge on the front of the Land Rover Freelander sums up the company and their products very well actually! The loss of power steering is a shock when it happens because you are suddenly confronted with heavy steering when a second ago you had easy steering action. This does cause people to loose what is construed to be good control and people have hit all manner of things when the engine cuts out. I've had it happen on a few occasions and you are never ready for it. I agree with the specifics of what you say on this matter. A very well known incident in the USA occured when Mrs Iacocca's massive Lincoln Continental had the engine stall on entering a round-about and plowed straight over it and demolished a fruit stall in a market just like in the movies but better apparently. Needless to say Mr Lee Iacocca ordered Ford's carburettor calibration engineering department to get onto the problem immediately because of the damage it could to to the car's reputation. I'm not sure what his concern was for Mrs Iacocca as it wasn't reported. Kindest regards Des Hammill Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
By Law the buyers contract is with the seller not the manufacturer. Therefore it's the seller (which may not be the servicing garage) who's required to deal with any problems & if that means liasing with the manufacture sobeit. Also you can get any vehicle serviced at any garage without affecting warranty. The only requirement is that you follow the schedule as laid out by the manufacture & even then if any failure is unrelated to the service schedule & would not have been spotted anyway the warranty still applies ___________________ cris
I've not spoken to Mr Sweeting since I put him in touch with Des. He was interested to hear the 'evidence' regarding the number of engines that have failed. But as everyone has stated, VOSA do not regard this as a safety defect. I did report another electrical problem to them that caused complete failure of all systems and this too caused the engine to die and subsequent loss of power steering, etc. Fortunately, I too was on a quiet road when this happened. They investigated this 'one off incident', but then came to the conclusion that it was unlikely to happen ini any other vehicles (The main battery cable welded itself to the block). Everyone knows about the Head Gasket issue, Watchdog have aired it back in 2004, I think, but it seems that as no one has died 'yet' then it's not a problem, and despite having lots of new evidence they are not prepared to air the program. I too have had been lucky to be able to coast to the hard shoulder when an engine died. This was however, almost 30 years ago and on a Sunday morning. I wouldn't like to try it from the fourth lane of the Thelwall Viaduct on the M6 in rush hour. Yes, we all can expect something to go wrong at sometime - I could expect the chain to break on my cycle (that I use increasingly these days), but the difference here is that there is actually a problem with the product. Land Rover should sort that out - maybe they will do when a Freelander causes a 35 car pile up with multiple fatalities. I wonder if they will say sorry before calling a lawyer to enquire about their obligations under the corporate manslaughter act? It's called 'an accident waiting to happen' - as I said to Jeffrey Sweeting in 2004 - 'prevention or cure' Besides the safety aspect it is also a matter of rights under Consumer Law, which I have been told I might as well try and change. Land Rover will contribute in some cases because they know it is a problem - not because they are feeling in generous mood. It's been a problem since 1999 (or even earlier), and has wasted a massive amount of time and money on the part of everyone involved with it. It also has knock on effects that could and should be avoided if Consumer Law was taken seriously, but unfortunately at the moment unless it is a small claim, you need to be wealthy to get Land Rover into court. It's all wrong! Gavin http://freelander.webhop.net
You posted at the same time as me so apologies for not mentioning you at the top of my email. You might be interested to know I'm still having other 'consumer law' issues, and the product in question is now sitting in the yard of the company who made it. After 12 months of dispute I'm trying to get my money back - does this sound like a familiar story :-) Best Regards Gavin
There is no need to feel stupid etc. as your reaction was the usual one for anyone. The steering changes from what you are used to in an instant and it does catch people out, it's as simple as that. Kindest regards Des Hammill
It most certainly does. Don't want to take this off topic so perhaps you could email me to give me an update ___________________ cris
There was no offence taken so no problems , iam only giving my opinion on an open forum , everyone else is entitled to theirs , having personally broken down in a few of these vehicles i dont see the problem but hey . Ok i will admit that maybe with a bit more techical knowledge i may have had coped with this better but im not sure . What im trying to get to is that anyone out there who has failed to get anything from Land Rover when they have a head gasket failure is going down the wrong route with Vosa . Even if there was one accident i cant see for the life of me Vosa taking action over this , there are far to many variables , for instance , we all know that these engines need an excellent cooling system , what if someone developed a leak whilst driving and caused the h/g to fail and eventually sieze the engine , the owner then gets wiped out on the motorway ....who is liable for that ? who is accountable for an unfortunate accident ? Many people have broken down on the motorway with these vehicles because of the fuel pumps , will this be subject to Vosa also ? Im not being funny or to annoy people , im simply giving my take on this situation . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
There is no such thing as an accident if it's forseeable & in the case of the LR it is therefore any such failure you describe would rightly be called an incident. The reason I mention this is not to be pendantic but to explian why the police and the media now refer to a vehicle collision as an incident & NOT an accident It's important to know that distinction when discussing or arguing with VOSA & LR ___________________ cris
Seeing as youre generally so grammatically correct and youre spelling very good i can only assume that youve deliberately spelt my name incorrectly . Incident / accident ...... the end result in everyones opinion would or may end in a fatality , if you are using this possibilty when contacting Vosa i can see very clearly why they are not taking action . Most vehicles at some stage suffer from failures of certain components that could lead to the vehicle breaking down on the motorway/road leaving them in the fast lane causing hazard , to say that the Freelander is unroadworthy and a death trap because of this is crazy . Like ive said before this is my opinion . I think we should in this case agree to disagree on this particular issue , weve both been here before and im not prepared to go down that road again . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
This forum could go on for ever and it is quite obvious that we are only entertaining ourselves. The discussion seems to be going around in circles and we are now discussing grammer and whether I's are dotted and T's crossed. I don't think in the eyes of the consumer or end user that there is a difference between an incident or an accident. If you are driving along and experience a collision of any sort whether it be from mechanical failure or an "act of God" it is a horrible feeling that can cause all sorts of problems from financial to emotional. Whether or not a car can coast to the shoulder, whether or not a lincoln goes through a round-a-bout or whether or not a HG fails due to owners or manufacturers fault, it is still an "occurence" (theres a new one to describe accident or incident) that was unexpected and has the potential to become a serious issue. I work in the automotive parts manufacturing industry and I'm a credited motor racing official for F1, Indy cars, V8 supercars, World rally etc and have had a lot of experience with regard to components that have failed, some on the race track and others on public roads. The difference is, if it was our company that made a faulty part we would be the first to admit fault and if the part was no good then get it corrected so as to avoid a reoccurence. Pretty simple really, back up and stand by what you manufacture. Either way you look at this I feel that LD have an issue that we all agree on and that if we just keep on with this and other forums like this then surely they would have to do something. Maybe they should of thought about it when they decided to make the 1.8L engine bigger than its intended size ever was. Lets hope they sort it out because the rest of the Rover range are very good and reliable vehicles. One of the best off road vehicle manufacturers in the world actually. They really should lift their game and start backing the drivers. All the best to every Landy owner and hope this is sorted out sooner rather than later. Because I think it will only be a matter of time before one of these failures contribute to a fatal accident. Lets hope not! Kindest regards to all. By the way no probs Karen, hope the sale goes well and you can get a better car next time. See ya
It's nothing to do with grammer as my point was that an accident has to be truly unforseen & in the case of engine failure resulting in power steering loss resulting in a collision is NOT an accident, it's the result of LR's negligence in failing to fix the problem which IS foreseeable & that again is my point ___________________ cris
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