Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Go to bed mate Unless of course you are a baker......... in which case you should hurry and don't be late for work. All the best Jon or Chris (which ever you prefer)
Something which i would like to know is if this issue is as serious as made out ie people breaking down on the motorway very often due to the h/g failure which poses this massive risk of an INCIDENT , then why now after 10yrs and apparently from so many failures hasnt anyone been killed or injured ? Could it be that this really doesnt pose the threat as made out OR are we saying that its just good luck that no-one has been hurt ? ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
As you say any car can fail and they do for all manner of reasons. The problem here is the Freelander fails more than what would be considered normal etc. and from a particular recurring problem. This is the difference. From my point of view this is what I see as unneccessary risk for drivers of such vehicles and it would be better if the problem wasn't there. This gets down other engines don't fail so often in the same way so why should this one in this day and age. The Freelander isn't a death trap because no one so far has been killed through this situation/circumstance so you are quite right in what you say. The potential is there for such deaths but so far it hasn't happened What is annoying for owners and the crux of the matter for them is the factor of Land Rover denying that there is any inherent problem with the engine. There clearly is a problem with the engine which ever way anyone wants to look at the situation. Watchdog tried to do something about it in 2003. Watchdog were not effective in the final analysis for one reason and that is they lacked any documentry proof. It existed believe me but they couldn't get hold of it. Kindest regards Des Hammill
Very interested in your comments regarding 'unrelated issues' to the service schedule. Is this a view upheld by the courts? If you have either a directive by an approved body to this, or a court precedent on this matter can you please send it to me me [Log in to view email] Thanks, John
It's not a case of my opinion or anyone else's opinion for that matter or even being pedantic about language. If it's forseeable, as in being a known defect that causes the failure, then it's simply not an accident if the consequences are that a collision results Of course other things can fail but they are not prone to failure & that's the difference ___________________ cris
Ford America’s own answer to the LR Disco kept being involved in crashes where it flipped over & where no other vehicle was involved. It was some years before a crash investigator, on listening to survivors, realized that instead of the punctured tyre being the result of the crash it was the punctured tyre that was the primary cause. The reason being that Goodyear tyres made in Mexico were faulty. Ford eventually admitted fault & paid out (last year) $300,000.0000 in punitive damages to one claimant who’s husband was killed as a result of the tyre failure ___________________ cris
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You seem to have not lost your spin from last years interactions Jon . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
I have spoken to Mr Sweeting at VOSA and he has checked the police records for accidents involving Freelanders and as it happens not one person has been killed ...... Not my words but Des's Perhaps not looking , but has been checked . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
It's not spin & I don't know how many more times I can explain the law to you before you grasp it but here goes If a known fault causes a failure which in turn results in a collision with anything wall, kerb, car, truck etc which in turn results in injury or death then that is foreseeable. It's negligence on the part of the manufacture or supplier responsible for the defect as they knew about it & did little or nothing to rectify it If you don't understand this may I, with the greatest respect as I assume you mean well, suggest you consult a qualified lawyer instead of continually arguing about things of which you obviously have little or no understanding I don’t wish to appear unkind or unlike you make personal attacks & as you are well versed in it argue & discuss the technical side by all means but please don’t keep arguing about the legal aspects & what is foreseeable & what is not you are just making a fool of yourself to anyone reading this who has even a modicum of understanding in the law ___________________ cris Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
For a problem to be found it 1st has to be recognised as the cause of an accident & not as some unrelated failure ___________________ cris
You dont have to explain it to me , but thanks anyway . Where did you get the notion of me arguing ? i for one am not arguing , likewise i have not carried out any personal attack on you or anyone else come to think of it so again where did that come from ? You seem to think that you can shout out legal jargon and assume that i know nothing at all and by saying that if i dont understand i need to seek legal advise which in itself only aids to inflame this situation , i told you last year that legality wasnt my forte . As i have already stated , i will agree to disagree on this and im not prepared to get into a lengthy slanging match again . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
*** For a problem to be found it 1st has to be recognised as the cause of an accident & not as some unrelated failure *** Sorry but i have to reply to that ..... If someone was involved in an incident resulting from a headgasket failure then the police would have looked into the reason for that incident whether it was a fatality or not , they would have ascertained that it had resulted from pas failure for instance caused by engine failure or whatever the circumstances may have been . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
Can i ask you a simple question..................have you been financially robbed liked the rest of us because of a car that 'wasn't fit for it's purpose' because that is the crux of all of this? Have you spent £3000 getting a new engine for a car that cost £18k 2 years earlier only to have to sell it for fear of the head gasket blowing again for £2800??(this was the best offer i received after having it up for sale for 10 weeks last year) DO THE SUMS.................... Incidentally the buyer tried to take me to court because the head gasket DID blow 3 weeks after he bought it off me (that's just 13 weeks after getting a LR dealer to fit a new one who would only do it on the basis of the warranty being valid for .....................guess what?????? 3 MONTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would be a different story if it had been one of LR £50k motors driven by celebrities/footballers because the bad publicity would have been catastrophic for LR.......................but ordinary folk like me aren't worth that to companies like this!
No is the simple answer to your question , why do you ask ? Do you think that me not being financially robbed gives me any right to comment on this issue . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
As i thought!! Perhaps if you were shafted by this company, which is how i feel after the disgraceful way my local dealership dealt with the problem (Beadles in Sidcup,kent for the record) and LR themselves then you might change your view on this matter. Anyone with the legal knowledge on taking LR to court on this matter count me in please!
Hey dont you think for one minute that just because i havent been shafted by Land Rover that i care any less . I have worked with this vehicle for 10 yrs , there is very little i havent come across and iam fully aware of this issue that owners are being shafted . I have been coming on this bloody website for the past 2 yrs giving people ( like you ) advise about this vehicle on all issues from headgaskets to hub bearings in my own time and with no expense , my intention was to help people ( like yourself ) My advise initially was to get people to check their oil and water on a weekly basis to minimise expense in the event of failure ( incidently the same advice which has been given by Des Hamill recently ) this advise was blown out of all proportion and ended up in weeks of arguments . Basically i have had enough of this , if you want a bunch of statistics about failures and things that should have been done then continue to use this site , if you need advise about this car from someone who knows this car inside out then phone Land Rover ..... I will continue to give advise on this vehicle on my own site which i set up in my own time to , otherwise balls to the lot of you !! Yet again this site has been infultrated by an idiot whos only intention is to stir shyte . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
You are right in what you say about giving advice but what you forget to mention to these poor individuals is that eventually their engine will let them down.......FACT! Your advise may well be very helpful to those who live in hope but the reality is that the best advise you could give anyone with one of these k series engines is to all turn up on a Monday morning outside LR head office and demand a full refund on their vehicles before they are possibly seriously injured or seriously out of pocket!! Checking this level and that level every week is not the norm for a vehicle that someone has paid at least £15k+ for while still under it's warranty. You have in my opinion given false hope to many people by assuming that carrying out these 'weekly' checks will prevent this happening. It's like playing russian roulette!! At the end of the day anyone joining this site should be bluntly told 'sell your vehicle ASAP' or you will lose a considerable amount of money!! Plain simple advise in a nutshell.................now please don't use such strong language LOL!! Oh...............as for calling me an idiot you are 100% correct...........because if i wan't so stupid i would never have touched a freelander in the first place. As they say you learn by your mistakes........albeit costly ones sometimes!
You have in my opinion given false hope to many people by assuming that carrying out these 'weekly' checks will prevent this happening. It's like playing russian roulette!! Well then in your opinion youre totally wrong , i have never repeat never said that checking levels will stop your h/g from failing , i have advised that checking your levels could reduce your expense in the result of a failure ......and that is the difference , start at page 38 of this thread and read forward . Your assumption of me calling you an idiot is also incorrect but seeing as youve admitted it yourself though im not going to correct you . As for me saying that i have failed to tell people that it will fail again you are also incorrect , i have told virtually everyone that if the engine is to be rebuilt then there is no guarantee that it wont fail again , it is early days where this mod gasket is concerned but as yet have had no comebacks ..... ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
Well said, I have only been following your story/ this forum for only about 6 months and have learnt a lot about the vehicle and its issues. Like I have said before I work in the automotive industry in the manufacture of aftermarket parts and have incedently sold a water pump for the said vehicle. Guess what............. the HG failed and he is trying to blame our water pump for the failure. I have done a full investigation of the vehicle and the affected water pump and found that the lack of coolant in the engine was the primary cause of the pump failure but after reading all this I can only assume that the HG was destined to fail anyway. Either way our customer has accepted the outcome and I haven't heard back. I think everyone who has one of these vehicles should simply sell it with a clause on the receipt that clearly states that the car was sold "WITH FAULTS IF ANY". Get rid of the car and start getting a good nght sleep again, because I'm sure no one who owns one is getting any sleep. All the best to every FL owner and I know I am on the other side og=f the planet but if I can help with any parts for anyone please let me know. By the way, our aftermarket parts are made in OEM (original equipment manufacturer) factories, which is the same place genuine parts are made. Freight might be an issue but let me know anyway and maybe I can help. Once again all the best, and well done to all those who have spent their time and effort on this forum, I know the information has been outstanding. And to everyone.....Forget the bickering and discuss the facts. If you were to all pull together and like was suggested, turn up to LD HQ and let 'em have it !!!! Cheers to all
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