Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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I will re-check the situation with Mr Sweeting of VOSA as soon as I can. I may have this wrong and be wrong in what I have said in the sense that what he asked the police to check with regard to incidents regarding Freelander cars may not be what I was actually asking him about incidents which resulted in the deaths of occupants of Freelander cars or cars involved in incidents with Freelanders where it was proven that the Freelander had suffered an engine failure etc. I was specific in what I was asking him but just in case there was any misunderstanding I'll go over it again with him and I'll let you know in the near future if there is a change. Kindest regards Des Hammill As an asside. The Freelander handbook recommends weekly checking of fluid levels. Doing this lets you know the instant there is a/the problem starting which frequently limits the damage to the engine but does not stop the engine from failing. This has been made clear on a few occasions in the past by dudkat72 and myself.
Very well said mate. I have a running battle going on with L/Rover in Western Australia - where are you? HG on my much loved and cared for Freelander last Jan - still off road - Have been quoted $10,000 for a new engine!!!?? Its a matter of principal with me - I love LR -Having had Discos before but this fiasco would have embarrassed Skoda in the 1960s...I wonder is all the Freelander owners in Oz could get together to plan some sort of protest.. Cheers Daz
Can I just say that this site is becoming a bit like a playground - fight with him, disagree with her, We are all here for the same reason, Land Rover are basically a bunch of *!#%!@ as far as the 1.8 Freelander is concerned. As daft as it may sound, wouldn't we all be better of trying to unite in some physical way to highlight the problem and embarrass Land Rover. A coordinated, puplicised presence outside Land Rover dealers or similarI have not read every entry on the site as I have to work! am still bloody mad 5 months after the event as it is just wrong. I know I am in Oz bit it is happening here to and L/Rover just dont want to know.
IMHO & without knocking anyone most here seem to be reluctant to get involved in any sort of group action which in my considered view would have much more chance of success ........... & knowing what I now know would scare the hell out of them. The implications of public civil proceedings here could have serious consequences for LR world wide ___________________ cris
Quote ... Checking this level and that level every week is not the norm for a vehicle that someone has paid at least £15k+ for while still under it's warranty. ... Unquote. Most of my working life I have worked on aircraft costing tens of millions of pounds and fluids are checked before every flight so I cannot see where your argument comes from !!
I have re-checked with Mr Sweeting of VOSA and the police reports include what caused what as much as it is possible to do therefore the situation still stands that so far in the UK, no Freelander has been the cause of a loss of life due to an engine failure of the type under discussion. They have now got world-wide statistics and they too have indicated a negative response. He did say that if a Freelander had had an engine failure and the driver had been killed and there were no witnesses to the incident there could have been a fatality. Like-wise if a Freelander and another car were involved in an incident and there were no survivors there could have been such a cause. The previous statement still holds true and there is no failure history of the type which has caused a single fatality. Kindest regards Des Hammill
In a huge number of cases these engines are not seriously damaged and, do not need to be replaced. Why have the dealership said that you need a new engine? Find that out first. That's a detailed listing of their analysis including what they have checked and how they have checked it. You should investigate the situation thoroughly and if all is well get the engine repaired by a small owner operator garage in your area. Freelanders do have this problem of wrecking the rear most cylinder but the engine is still not always a write-off although that liner and piston will need to be replaced. If the liners are to specification height ie. plus about 0.001-0.003inch the engine is NOT a write off and very repairable. To date I have repaired an engine that was a complete write-off with dropped down liners, an annealed cylinder head, damaged rear liner etc (worst case scnario) and the engine is going fine. This was done as an exercise to explore the possibilities and everything was done as cheaply as possible on purpose. It's not all as bad as it seems from a technical point of view for the K16 engine. Kindest regards Des Hammill
Can Mr Sweeting tell us how many FL's have broken down on a public highway in which the police attended ___________________ cris
It also doesnt matter if we are talking about a 100k Rolls Royce or a 10k Ford the fact still remains these checks should be carried out . Its is especially important to check levels on Kseries weekly , whilst it will not stop the initial hg failure , it will (if caught in time) save you alot of money . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
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I'm in Sydney. Where are you at with the car. I have heard so many stories from overseas, what happened to you and your FL. Let me know if you have the time would love to hear it. Cheers Grant
The original poster stated that weekly checks should not be required on a vehicle under warranty costing £xx,000. This of course is a load of bullsh!t, value has got nothing to do with PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE & INSPECTIONS !! The aircraft comparison shows this to good effect.
The K16 engine in a Freelander is not supposed to use any coolant one service to another or one year to another, that was a part of the criteria of the cooling sytsem fitted to these cars (this is official MG-Rover information). If the engine didn't have the problems it has, this would indeed be the case and it would only be a leaking hose etc that would cause a coolant loss and so on. There are several reasons why these engines loose coolant (just like any other engine) and why the factory objective wasn't met at times so, while the system is not supposed to loose coolant at all between services, in the normal course of events things can go wrong and the weekly checking is designed to pick up on such events if and when they occur. The K16 has a fault history to put it mildy in these cars and therefore the weekly coolant level checking etc becomes a definite requirement. I check my Rover car engines coolant level weekly or when the car is used on a trip because while it doesn't use coolant I don't trust it because of the engine's reputation. This is the reality of the situation and the reason for the weekly check in this instant. You are correct in what you say that most cars made today do not use coolant and you just don't need to check them even though all vehicle manuals will recommend a frequent check. Kindest regards Des Hammill
Take the vehicle back to the person who did the job , if they have caused the noise then they are responsible and not Land Rover . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
thanx for taking the time to reply to my ad. The mechanic has now instructed his insurers as he is at a loss with it, but the problems seem to of escaleted. I havent driven it since the problems began, until yesterdy when i moved it in my garden, the car seems to be shaking and the engine warning light is flickering on and off, ive looked in my manual but it doesnt say a lot. Does anyone think this could be related to the change of the headgasket and skim, and the since growling sound when reved, or is this something else? help please!!!! kiki
More detailed information is needed such as what exactly was wrong with the engine in the first place and what (exactly) was done/touched by the mechanic. There are a few things here that can go wrong if the mechanic isn't aware of certain things. Kindest regards Des Hammill
great thanx kiki
The example of an aircraft to a car was just that .... an example . The intention was to highlight that no matter what car you have preventative oil and water checks should be done weekly .... because they are just that preventative ! Ok , you SHOULDNT get a coolant or oil leak , but things happen like pipes leaking for instance which if left have the potential to wreck your engine , the attitude that its ok because the vehicle has warranty is wrong . With regards to the Kseries , and assuming you have no pipe leak etc as above , then carrying out these checks wont stop your head gasket from failing but what it will do is reduce the amount the owner has to spend to put it right , which is why ive always said i would rather pay out £900 for a hg replacement than £3500 for a new engine . Anyone who neglects to carry out these checks especially on a K series Freelander are quite simply asking for trouble . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
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