Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Theres just one thing that springs to mind , is the mechanic 100% certain he has the valve timing correct ? The reason why i ask is that it is possible to get the cam gears on the wrong way round . This makes them run horrifically and make all sorts of noise , if hes got it wrong once theres no gaurantee that he hasnt made the same mistake twice . He needs to remove the cam gears and check the witness marks where the cam gears fit onto the dowels , he wouldnt be the first to do this ...or the last come to think of it ! If you explain the above to him he will know what im on about i hope . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
In the first instance get your mechanic back and get him to re-check the camshaft timing using MG-Rover/Land Rover information/sequence and have him give the engine a leakdown test. Because you did not suffer a catastrophic failure, we can I think, rule out engine damage such as gross over heating, liners and pistons damage etc. Not sure now whether we can rule out subsequential valve damage but the leakdown test will conclude this or not. Your mechanic can e-mail me if he wants to and I'll do what I can. Tell him it can't be all that bad and the involvement of his insurance company shouldn't be necessary. It's unlikely that this engine is very badly damaged. Kindest regards Des Hammill
Much has been made about the MLS head gasket that Land Rover introduced. Its now very evident that these gaskets while solving the sudden coolant loss situation ALL appear to suffer from slight coolant seepage on a constant basis out of the perimeter edge seal. The leakage seems to vary between 25-100mls per 1000 miles/1600 kilometres so what this means is that any vehicle fitted with such a head gasket needs vigilant coolant level checking and topping up to maintain engine reliability. I had a discussion with long serving MG-Rover calibration engineer Steve Wood about 3 years ago and he warned me that as far as he was concerned the MLS head gasket had not been tested thoroughly enough and he expected them to leak. He has, as far as I'm concerned been proved right. This is all no cause for panic and I'm listing it here to make it clear that all owners of Freelanders with MLS head gaskets fitted to their engines need to be very sure that they check their vehicles coolant levels very frequently as suggested to ensure over all general reliability. Kindest regards Des Hammill
I will be honest here and say i wasnt aware that the new hg leaks , as far as im aware weve not had one single comeback yet , i would have thought that by now we would have plenty of angry customers phoning us up and telling of dropping levels ...... or is this highlighting that people dont check their levels ? ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
We are not talking much of a leak of course, a seepage of a small amount that is easily catered for with regular servicing. It's not cause for concern and MLS is still the way to go because it removes the catastrophic failure modes we both know about, it's an annoyance more than anything. I was rather hopeful that this wasn't going to happen but the evidence is there now. Another year will make it all a bit more clear but it isn't looking too good at the moment. Kindest regards Des Hammill
I'm not sure how frequently people check the coolant levels on these engines, I for one check it weekly and before each trip. I suspect that most people don't check at that rate. I notice that if the coolant level does drop slightly (bottle just empty) you will see the temperature guage rise. When this happens you need to stop within 5 minutes and add coolant (lack of head cause loss of circulation). One thing we recommend now is coolant level sensing kits and certainly for MGF etc they are avaialble. You don't have to worry about it then until the buzzer goes. Most owners simply carry a litre of coolant, stop when the buzzer goes and add accordingly. I have fitted a larger reservoir to one car which has about 3 litres in it which is an improvement and means less checking. I would have to say I don't mind the old SLS head gasket BUT, you need to change it at a suitable distance. If you use an MLS one you need to be aware of the seepage. Neither situation is a problem as long as you know about it and it only involves checking and changing something. It's an added cost agreed but it is the effective solution for owners. Kindest regards Des Hammill
Yes the level sensor is something ive suggested to several people in the past , these parts can be purchased from a LR maindealer for around £20 , you dont get the wiring , light / buzzer but that is easily sourced from any motor factor . Your comment about temperature rising goes against alot most peoples version of their hg failure ....... i do agree with you entirely by the way . Most will say that theyve had this catastrophic failure of the engine which has resulted in the engine being u/s and they had no temperature increase which in my opinion is wrong , however i would say that in some circumstances the temperature would drop due decreased coolant and alot of air around the temp sensor . It would be interesting to know the amount of people who have experienced temperature decrease before they knew something was seriously wrong ...... have you noticed this ? ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
Gammon & Brown make a kit for MGF/MGTF and it comes with everything and I think it's good value for money. I still think the weekly checks should be made as well as before going on a trip. My car's engines was a failed one and the whole car was going to the scrap. I repaired it so I could, in part, experimented a bit. I drained a bit of coolant out to see how much it took to cause the temperature to rise. The expansion tank was nearly empty and the needle of the guage rose to about 3/4 from the usual 1/2 way position. I ran it for a bit and then added coolant. The needle fell to its usual position which on my car is just under the line. If the coolant level is reduced/reducing slowly in the tank you get some warning by all accounts. Obviously you don't this with the sudden coolant loss situation and of course once the coolant has gone the gauge doesn't react to well. I think people miss quite a bit here ie on the road with either an increase or a decrease on the gauge once the coolant has gone but that's to be expected really. This is why I think the coolant level sensing is the ideal tool because no matter what, the buzzer and light are going to come on even in the catastrophic cylinder head silicone beading breaching situation. The warning is a early as possible on all accounts. It is of course up to the individual to decide what they want to do and it would have been a good idea if MG-Rover/Land Rover had fitted this device but there is nothing to stop anyone getting such fitted now, I do tell people to do it. My car has been very reliable and I only do what a non-technical person can do by checking the oil and coolant level. I have on purposes not touched anything else just to see what happens. My gasket has signs of seepage by looks but, its minor and the coolant level checks cover it meaning that it just doesn't matter. I'm not a Rover fan at all but this engine can be made a lot more reliable than currently indicated. Kindest regards Des Hammill
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No problem. I'll call you if you send your phone number to my email address which is; [Log in to view email] Kindest regards Des Hammill
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What a load of rubbish, never ever will I buy aLandrover again - head gasket failure, re-conditioned enginereqiored total costs £3800. I hate LAND ROVER. LAND ROVER EMPLOYEES YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. NEVER EVER EVER BUY A FREELANDER, OR A LAND ROVER FOR THAT MATTER WORST CAR IN HISTORY - BETTER OF WITH A RELIABLE JAPANESE CAR OR GERMAN - BRITISH MADE = CRAP
(the engine had only done 30K miles!!) it cost me £2350 for a replacement engine after LR offered a measly 25% contribution. Expect they will make that up when they recondition and sell on my original engine. Have tried several times to get them to pay up the full amount but like you have probably experienced, they just ignore the problem and hope you'll go away. Seems like the cowardly executives at the top are insulated from complaints because you cant get past the customer services to vent your annoyance. What goes around comes around and this problem with the Freelander is still ongoing and will come back to haunt them and their reputation and they will have to compensate customers eventually. Suggest you contact the Motor Manufactures Traders Conciliatory Service on 0870 751 8270. The more people and organisations who realise what LR are about the less customers they will have in the future!! Hope we all get some justice soon!!
May i ask how old your vehicle is ? ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
The vehicle was 5 years 8 months old, immaculate bought & serviced by the LR dealership since new.The engine (God Rest Its Soul) had only done 30K. Dont see why I had to fork out for a replacement engine when the previous one was not fit for purpose to begin with. The 25% offer may reflect the age of the vehicle but not the mileage of the engine. When you buy a motor you would expect the longevity of the engine to be at least 100K with reasonable use. I thought LR engines were supposed to be robust...especially when you consider the terrain they were built for. What a mistake I made thinking that, it cost me £2350 plus a cancelled holiday and a lot of stress.
sorry to hear you are the latest victim to this pile of crap they call a freelander. What really gets me going is the morons on here who reckon that as long as you check your water level every time you get into the car you'll be ok!!!! If i knew that was all it took to prevent my engine blowing up then i would have bought a £200 wreck that pased it's MOT so was roadworthy. Who in this day and age expects to spend £15k+ on a vehicle that needs it's coolant level checked everytime you unlock it???? Some ndividuals are jokers on here for ebven trying to defend this pile of crap. I wish i could print off some posters that can't be removed and drive around to all the dealers that are still trying to sell these vehicles for £3k+ and plaster the windscreen with the words 'DEATH TRAPS'' because it will take someone being killed in one of these due to a Head Gasket blowing for anyone to sit up and listen! Dudkat.....................you've obviously too much spare time on your hands if you actually check your coolant level on EVERY journey..............or you've a major interest in Land Rover!!
You really shouldnt make youself look so stupid , you know full well that i have never said that checking your levels on this vehicle will stop your hg from failing .The fact that you make such statements prove that you havent read this thread properly ( similar to other users ) Of course its not only me you call a moron , you would be also calling Des Hamill and Mike Robinson the same seeing as theyve given the same advice , it will be interesting to here their comments on your last inane ramble . ___________________ http://landroveradvice.myfastforum.org The only believers are brainwashed !!
I come from Australia and logged into this forum to get some info on the failing HG in the freelanders for reasons which I am not going into now, but, I now only log in to read the "inane coments" that are being thrown around now. its quite comical, and after reading some of these I must agree that some people do have FAR to much time on there hands. For gods sake why can't you people agree that these cars are crap. You guys wanted to argue with a lady that almost crashed because you didn't agree with what she said. You argue over grammer and now how many times you should check fluids. I work in the automotive industry and I have never recommended anyone check fluid levels as much as you guys do. Maybe the temperatures in England are actually higher than here in Australia.....hmmm I think not. You guys should never have over heating problems, my God, imagine if this vehicle drove in warm temeratures....... Stop defending these people who call themselves car manufacturers and get together to do something PRO ACTIVE instead of RE ACTIVE.... yes.... far to difficult isn't it. Much easier to sit on the net and whinge and whine....... enjoy your freelanders folks and remember to check those fluid levels every time the wind changes directions because if you don't............ well, you might end up suffering the same dire straights and someone who probably did check their levels. Anyway whether you do or you don't keep arguing about it because its bloody funny from where I sit and look forward to the comic relief whenever I log on. Cheers folks, enjoy your fine British motoring
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