Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Anyway, I just wanted to add that I really appreciate the advice people have taken the time to post - it's been a real help just to know that I'm one of many trying to get their heads around the trusted brand/total cock up malarkey... Cheers. And have a great weekend. V.
Ring another dealer, give him the car details that you are thinking of buying, as if you own the car. Insist that you cannot bring to car to him to view but just want a px price. He will then give you a low price, then you know how much the dealer you are buying from is making. Make him a low offer, he will probably decline it. Say here is my details just in case you change your mind, and let him know that you will be looking at other cars the next day. More often than not he will come down on his price. This does not always work, but has worked for me in the past. Purchase a 3 year old Mondeo with very high miles for just £2200. The car has been fantastic, very very reliable, unlike the Freelander which my wife had, that cost me an absolute fortune. I opened a bottle of Champagne the day I sold my Freelander. It truely was a great weight of my mind.
As it is Sunday i have yet to contact any garage but tomorrow i am dreading because i am terrified of what they might say or quote for repair. I have also stumbled across a product called K SEAL which claims to be able to fix this kind of fault at a price of £10 per bottle. Has anyone tryed this with or without success? Thinking about trying K SEAL b4 contacting garage but dont want to damage engine further.
Did they change the coolant because if they did & didn't follow the manufactures guidelines to the letter then air can remain in the system which can result in the problem you describe Ask the garage BEFORE telling them of the situation
K-seal is ok at sealing things like radiators etc, and in some cases can fix head gaskets, but its in no way a permanant fix. If you put it in, and it seals, sell it quick! You'll have a nightmare trying to flush the oil out too.. Im no longer a freebie owner, but was...I replaced the gasket....To find it was still leaking, as my block was cracked also. Enough said....there is no fix for this.
Sounds a good idea, but it certainly will not work for your problem. If you still feel you should try K seal. Just ring them and get them to state in writing that if it does not work for you they will give you your money back. Get the car repaired, the sell it on, before it cost you a fortune. Why oh why did Land Rover not recall all the 1.8 Freelanders and fit them with a coolant level indicator they could do this now if they wished, it would cost them peanuts. At least this might of warned the owner. But Land Rover cetainly does not care about the people who buy its cars out of warrantee. They produced a third rate 4x4 almost guaranteed to go wrong, then when owners had problems outside of the warrantee they did not solve the head gasket problem, did the multilayer gasket solve the problem, probably not! LANDROVER FREELANDER - BUYERS BEWARE OF THIS 4X4 NIGHTMARE!
BEFORE YOU ALL SAY 'WOT THE Bl.....g Hell! Your LR Engine is used in my MG TF !!!! My '69 MGB GT is wot I know! Our latest Aquisition (Lady's choice) is a 2003/4 TF 135 with 67k on the clock. Within 2 mths and 500k, emulsion in the header tank! YOU ALL MUST READ VERY CAREFULLY and more so, WATCH YOUR REPAIRER OVER HIS SHOULDER! You want THE OLD PARTS RETURNED in a box! I am an ex Service Manager Trainee! (VW, MB, Alpha Rom and Mazda) So I know the TRICKS!!! He must without fail, use the ENTIRE MLS HG KIT as suggested by MG Rover (HG, Shim, Oil Rail, Bolts and water pump (for reasons ? Impeller Degradation), and if alot of coolant in the oil, maybe the Oil Pump and ALL Crank Bearing Shells! A pre 2002 engine must have the Remote Thermostat conversion, not the 'Quick Fix' - pull out the Thermostat as suggested by the LR Freebie dingbats! Don't skimp - do it properly with latest NEW BOLTS! When you refit them they S T R E T C H E V E N if measured OK!! Alot of R & D has gone into this problem, with a still brilliant design. (Lotus Elise now moved to H2000 Motors) All this is going to fail if the Liners have dropped and started to hammer the Head Facing at the Fire Ring! I had NO COOLANT in the Sump, but pulled the Head immediately when noticing oil contamination of the coolant in the Tank. What my guy found, was 2 dropped liners (1 & 2 - Hottest!!) and the car left the Factory with the NEW Remote Therm! I put alot of research into K Series prior to purchase (MG Car Club Cape Town) My thoughts were (as also of my ex MG Mech) It's going to happen, but when? Most went at 30 to 38k kms in South Africa. So in judging, all offers that were 'fixed' prior to Year 2008, were excluded! I wanted the latest production VIN possible knowing the Remote Therm was done with the steel dowels, and the latest R & D Kit available. Our MG Parts Supplier bought a 2005 135 - Emulsion in Tank. Had another ?? MG Mech do the MLS HG without the Rail and Bolts (Cheap job!) - and the dingbat fitted the Shim to the Blok below the HG!!! Say no more. His Cams had no oil pressure and started to sieze! So friends all over the world, it is so important to put common sense into this HGF Issue. I don't want to believe reading the continued HGF (L/R, MG and Lotus) without knowing the LATEST SPEC HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT WITHOUT ANY DEVIATION ?? I would sincerely appreciate all input to my contribution. I have a very latest MLS pdf to fwd to anyone [Log in to view email] Meantime, check these out - Best wishes woodiess - Cape Town (very wet today!) http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Head_gasket_failure http://www.qednet.demon.co.uk/rk/remotestat.htm http://www.mgfmavhh.ukf.net/ http://www.mgfcar.de/thermostat/Water_System_Mods.htm http://www.aronline.co.uk/index.htm?essaykseriesf.htm http://www.qednet.demon.co.uk/rk/remotestat.htm 
the guy i used to do my head gasket is a mobile mechanic but ex landrover technition and when he turned up last year to do my freelander gasket i was shocked to see he was in a petrol freelender! he told me the new head gaskets worked a treat and mine has so far been fine..he also did a major service for 180 quid and stamped my book at xmas..i was gonna recently sell it but if i got 2000/2500 what would i get for that ? and as its running well i will keep it another year i think.
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It is NOT JUST CHECKING OIL AND COOLANT LEVELs ? Yup I also agree, amazing your Mech arriving with a K18 motor Freebie LR! You see everybody - LR Petrol K18 Lives on! Gives one super confidence when suffering like us MG owners do? Remember, because of my MG TF Cyl Liner Drops Nos 1 and 2, we had to have the Head sorted (luckily a skim @ 5 thou cleaned it ), 4 x Liners with Rings and, all Crank Bearing shells. NB All Failures with Coolant in the Sump, should have Crank Shells, and maybe an Oil Pump! Vansu - Gaby and I will get the MG TF returned 2morro with the 'FULL KIT' fitted as my listing (NB: New OIL RAIL + BOLTS) @ RSA18000, about GBP1350. We wonder if we getting a reasonable deal from Rover here in South Africa?? As I have stated, this is our 1st issue with the Rover K18 Series Motor. My research has shown, only the FULL PACKAGE HG will provide the answer -and still no guarantees from the dingbat and defunkt ?-over corp! Directors' have their severence packages, but a few DEDICATED supplier/source Engineers' are committed to R & D. Steleeuk, I am still concerned that u have not replaced the Oil Rail and Bolts!!! Remember, the New Oil Rail is so much more Rigid, and provides NEW STABILITY to the 'Sandwich Construction'. Let's see. I need to follow your case very closely. Will be interesting for our MG Car Club guys - I am the Spares and Sales Secretary for Cape Town. We have 34 registered K18 TFs in the Cape Town Club. Anyway, I am looking forward to getting the TF back tomorrow (Gaby wants to 'Offload'!) As a post note, our Chairman James, 'race tracks' his 160 TF regularly, and at about 50k kms has had no issue since 30k kms with the earlier MLS Gasket only !!!! I rest my case. Lets have some input here please readers. Pass on to your MG Buddies, and let's get excited? woodiess - Cape Town 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
You fail to check levels on this engine at your peril , it will be the difference between a head gasket replacement or an engine replacement, personally i know what i prefer . You may have a minor leak from a hose etc which , if not checked, will soon develope into a hg failure....end of . Not checkiing your levels is madness
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I bet the repair guys did not check the 'Liner Upper Levels', evan when they were not loose? And REMEMBER K18 OWNERS - REPLACE THE OIL LADDER AND THE BOLTS when suffering HGF or worries. This whole catastrophe is a Rover issue - just so sad that Tech Info was not posted for after market repair, and even by the designers. Kool that you guys going OK so far. Let's keep chatting to get more successes. Regards, Stewart(woodiess) - Cape Town
I bet the repair guys did not check the 'Liner Upper Levels', even when they were not loose? And REMEMBER K18 OWNERS - REPLACE THE OIL LADDER AND THE BOLTS when suffering HGF or worries. This whole catastrophe is a Rover issue - just so sad that Tech Info was not posted for after market repair, and even by the designers. Kool that you guys going OK so far. Let's keep chatting to get more successes. None of you has requested the latest pdf visual of the MLS kit? I can also copy a Tech suggestion on the Rover Forum (Telfer) Regards, Stewart(woodiess) - Cape Town
But Land Rover just could not care about its customers. Thats why they have so many disgruntled customers. Would I buy another Land Rover, NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!
I find it totally amazing how this Quality car manufacturer (sorry did I say Quality, NOT THE FREELANDER) could do this to is customers. I to am so glad that I no longer own one. Since selling mine, I have stopped to help 3 Freelander Petrol owners - all had the same problem, no water or water and oil in their expansion bottle.
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