Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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Us MG TF and Lotus Elise owners are with you guys. Who is able to investigate action against the actual engine designer? Meantime, follow the rules of Technology, DO IT RIGHT. The FULL MLS KIT, with NEW ROVER BOLTS and the new OIL LADDER/RAIL, and get the parts from Rover, not E-Bay! The BOLTS go through the HEAD and BLOCK, and thread into the RAIL/LADDER under the BLOCK/Crankshaft within the Sump, and keep it all together! The 'Sandwiched' Motor Design needs this 'new found' RIGIDITY to keep it together.. BOTTOM to TOP. woodiess - Cape Town
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Unfortunately one of the people I stopped to help said that they had the multilayer head gasket fitted to their Freelander. But they had no water in the expansion bottle, and the engine sounded terrible! Have Land Rover sorted the problem. Probably not!
My guy Michael Robinson, has just delivered MG TF home. Now, you know what the best procedure is - pass it on (Keep copies of my or Telfer's mail in your glove box - hand it out. If we Win this nonsence, it is for all LR 'Petrol Heads'. You deserve it - but remember my Statement under my messages ..... Keep it alive, post your thoughts and actual experiences. I cannot go through ALL the 2005 onwards posts. Keep smiling all - Life is SO MUCH MORE THAN A LR FREELANDER ? Best Wishes, MG - Stewart (woodiess) Cape Town.
To EVERYONE. Where has everybody gone this last week? Come on now. Let's chat about what u have been doing if the Car has been fine? We had Football and RUGBY! Weather has been stunning as the Lion's Rugby supporters left Cape Town for the 2nd Test. Really sad for the folk. You guys are TRUE SUPPORTERS. + 400 of you following the Tour! Most stayed in Cape Sun opposite my watch/clock repair business. Bussed off to magnicent Cape sites! The guys that came in, 'highly recommended the Cape Wines!!' Anyways, not enuff business for me to pay for my MG TF HGF repairs !! Got a Beer tho!! Was g8 seeing and chatting to the folk though. Best wishes to the Forum. Stewart - Cape Town.
You're talking about mega bucks for a replacement engine, far outweighing the value of the car. If you do and keep it what's to say it won't go again!
Firstly, I am surprised you mention V6 engine?? Should not have been a problem, because the (HGF) Head Gasket Failure we are talking about is, on the 4 cylinder Rover K18 Series engines. Maybe our LR dealer did something strange. You must find a competent repairer who will religiously follow the upgraded repair, using the new MLS Kit AND NEW BOLTS, even if the old ones measure OK! Below is a copy and paste from Telfer a fellow Rover forum writer. It repeats everything I have previously submitted. The MG / Rover guys are happy with this procedure used in the same engine as Freebie's! It is essential that the cause of the failure is fully established before any repair is started, as it would appear that this was possibly not done when the last failure occurred. (See last paragraph aswell) 2. With the Cylinder Head removed, establish that its face is flat and that it has not suffered any distortion or serious fire ring burning indentations. The face of these Cylinder Heads has a hardened surface and some people do not recommend that it should be machined. However some successful repairs have been carried out by surface grinding a little, to regain a true flat surface. If badly distorted, scrap the Cylinder Head and replace. 3. Cylinder Liner Height. It is critical and very important that the Liner Height is correct and that they are all at an even height above the Cylinder Block Face. This measurement should be 0 - 0.10mm for 1.6 and 1.8 K Series engine. 4. On rebuilding the engine it is essential to use the new Cylinder Head Gasket Kit, Part No. as given above. It consists of 3 parts. 1:-Multi Layer Steel Gasket. (Looks similar to the old gasket, but in fact has more Layers and is of a different construction). Also check the type of Cylinder Head Dowels. On early 1.8's these were made of a plastic composition but were later replaced by steel dowels. Ensure that your engine has Steel Dowels between the Cylinder Head and Block. One more item to check is the condition of the Plastic Inlet Manifold. This has a water channel built into it to assist with fast warm up of the air going into the engine. (Some engines had an alloy cast manifold). Make sure that this item is in a sound condition, and be sure that it is fitted to the engine using the modified type joint gaskets, which should be a sort of Duck Egg Blue colour. They are a bit more substantial than the older joint/gaskets used on earlier built engines. These older joints were prone to leaking and should be replaced with the later type gaskets. However having said that, I think the stocks of the older joint/gasket should be used up by now, but its worth mentioning. Courtesy of Telfer. Good luck. Stewart - Cape Town
Having said that - I love the car - got two big dogs to transport at times, However the husband has a defender (another pile of crap in my opinion but it's a working vehicle - hey, guess what, that's in the garage as well at this time. Stewart, yes I was surprised when the engine went first time as I did some research before buying and the V6 didn't report any problems. The Landrover dealer is huge here in the south coast, reputable etc etc and they did the repair which they said LR had covered their costs. It's obviously just a bad one. Will ponder over your mechancial solution and have a word with the garage this monring before I decide. Thanks guys - great help.
If you search this forum I think it's mentioned the V6 was still based on the K series engine. I'm sure some one will correct me if I'm wrong! Good luck with your decision! Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
There are many more 'heart dominations' in the motoring world, but none so 'devoted as the LR and MG - Rover' owners. As said, us MG okes are the most seriously 'infected' ? Keith is 'business right' ! Shaz. If you have the money and can folow your instincts,and if it is done 'perfectly right' '2009 Standard', - it will be right! I bought an MG TF car knowing the s h i t e , after sooooo much research on the problem!! (Read prior reasons) The majarity of our 30+ MG TF Club Membership, had just done the 'upgrade' as a precaution - some 'cheaps' with premature /spectacular failures. OK, so that's the 4Cyl K18 Rover Series (u may have had this motor originally?) The V6 presents a problem. What motor ??? Rover or BMW? I will bounce this off Rover 75 Forum with Telfer. You must try and get more info for us. Until Telfer the Tech responds - let's see. Kind regards to te Forum. Stewart - Cape Town.
Stewart, yes less expensive than a NEW equivalent, but not a secondhand equivalent, but far outways the value of the of the car, and as you know there is no guarantee that it won't go again. If you search the web you will also find that that the head gasket is not the only expensive problem with the Freelander! For the record I had a 98 1.8 petrol for 7 years (low mileage) and it only went into the garage for servicing in all that time, but I felt it was a ticking time bomb!
You had your Freelander for 7 years , what was the background behind that car ie did you purchased from new , how many miles did it have when you purchased / sold it , was it serviced at a main dealer , did you check levels ?
I bought it new in Nov 98 from Dutton Forshaw Maidstone (now gone) it was a 5 door XEi. It had 4000miles on it and main dealer serviced. I never checked the oil or water regularly as it wasn't a know issue early. I belonged to a Freelander forum after buying it and it was after a few years that I noticed other members having mainly h/g problems. I did check the oil and water but not too often as the problem wasn't that prolific. As it became so, together with other problems I decided to p/e it. I went to Dutton Forshaw and got an extremely good deal (I bought a Citroen). I asked them if they were aware of any known problems with the Freelander and they said no (it was early days). I had many extras on it which I sold on ebay. I do miss it!
We have a V6 and we had exactly the same. No problems, went in for its annual service, got a phone call telling me the head gasket had gone and we needed a new engine. After much fighting with LR (the car was 100 miles out of warranty, we bought it brand new from them and had always had it serviced there), they paid 50%. The engine cost £5000, of which we paid half. My advice? It's just not worth it. Although we have not (yet) had any problems with the new engine (which is probably reconditioned anyway), so many other things have gone wrong on this car, including the air conditioning has not packed up. Can't sell it for love or money either, no one wants it. Get shot while you've got the chance. We've actually bought a second car as an insurance policy because we know the Freelander will let us down at some point.
Our Freelander literally cost £1,000s of pounds in repair cost in the 4 years that we owned it. Buy comparison I have had a Ford Mondeo for the same length of time, apart from tyres and exhauts etc. The only thing that has cost me is the two front wishbones needed replacing, cost £150. My advice is to sell the Freelander, I know you love it, but it will keep costing you £1,000s. One car I would recomend is the BMW Mini, my friend has just sold his after having it for two years, he lost £500 in depreciation in the two years that he owned it. If it were a Freelander you would have probably lost £5000 in depreciation plus £1000s in repair bills
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