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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:14 AM
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Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
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Mornin' all. Time to laugh a bit -Why men should not write advice columns. Dear John
I hope you can help me. The other day, I set off for work leaving my husband
In the house watching the TV. I hadn't driven more than a mile down the
Road when the engine conked out and the car shuddered to a halt. I walked
Back home to get my husband's help.
When I got home I couldn't believe my eyes. He was in our bedroom with the
Neighbour's' daughter. I am 32, my husband is 34, and the neighbour's
Daughter is 19. We have been married for ten years.
When I confronted him, he broke down and admitted that they had been having
An affair for the past six months. I told him to stop or I would leave
Him. He was made redundant six months ago and he says he has been feeling
Increasingly depressed and worthless. I love him very much, but ever
Since I gave him the ultimatum he has become increasingly distant. He
Won't go to counselling and I'm afraid I can't get through to him
Anymore.
Can you please help?
Sincerely, Sheila
Dear Sheila:
A car stalling after being driven a short distance can be caused by a
Variety of faults with the engine. Start by checking that there is no
Debris in the fuel line. If it is clear, check the vacuum pipes and hoses
On the intake manifold and also check all grounding wires. If none of
These approaches solves the problem, it could be that the fuel pump
Itself is faulty, causing low delivery pressure to the injectors.
I hope this helps,
John
Cheer up everyone. Regards Stewart - Cape Town.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 10:09 AM
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shaz
Joined 23 Mar 2006
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Cape Town calling! sorry to be so "girly" about this, "supplier" engine in V6, you asked of me and Cruella? - what's that then - do you mean was it a BMW or AR engome - where will I get that info now that I've sold car, sorry, typical female, bought the car, had engine & four wheels, good stuff, I'll have it! That's all that I noticed till it went wrong of course. Just this minute going to garage to pick up by PX vehicle, they still have Freelander to get shot of, what should I ask them.
They have all the paperwork now, including all ex receipts/bills etc - anyuse to anyone in terms of seeing what was replaced when the engine went first time at 46K miles?
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 11:30 AM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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ha ha like the joke stewart ..our first brandnew freelander was rejeted after a few weeks as had loads of faults ,mainly electrical ,,our next landrover a 05 freelander that we bought from main dealer set fire after 10 days caused by headgasket failure overheating wireing according to report ,,but before i bought the 05 freelander from main dealer i asked if the headgaskets failing was still an issue to which i was told 0n 53 reg onwards they have a new double thickness gasket and they are all perfect now ,,he even went on to say years ago he used to work for rover main dealer and about all the headgaskets that went on the cars and how it led to rover closing because joe public went to other brands .
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 1:21 PM
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dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
906 posts
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but before i bought the 05 freelander from main dealer i asked if the headgaskets failing was still an issue to which i was told 0n 53 reg onwards they have a new double thickness gasket and they are all perfect now ,,he even went on to say years ago he used to work for rover main dealer and about all the headgaskets that went on the cars and how it led to rover closing because joe public went to other brands ........................................................................................That is your issue with that particular dealer , seeing as the MLS headgasket was not introduced until 06/07 then that would have never been the case . Like i said , dont tar everyone witht the same brush .
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 1:33 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
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ok , so not all landrovers are dodgy and dishonest but 99 percent of them are looking at the feedback on here ,,also as you say the final decision on goodwill comes from landrover itself so can tar them with the same brush .god you are making this personal dudkat against me take a chill pill .this is not the forum to argue landrovers case as most on here have been treat unfairly and seen first hand landrovers dishonesty and way it conducts itself in business and its aftercare policies ,it can only blame itself when it closes down ,,on another point i noticed a large garage a few miles from me that used to be a rover main dealer ,they are now selling brand new mgtf ,i am gonna pop and see what engine they have in them .
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 3:41 PM
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steleeuk
Joined 9 Jul 2008
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Hi Stewarthope your doin ok m8y !
why are you interested in my old head bolts ? am sorry m8 but they are long gone :/ good job they dont use freelanders for safaries over there m8 coz people would be gettin eaten by lions :D not good [Log in to view email] you i would be ok in mine as its faultless now lol (touch wood)
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 5:20 PM
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Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
114 posts
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Sorry Shaz - only log in evenings. Regarding Freebie Engine. If you could ask them the make and capacity of the engine. Many thanx, and enjoy motoring in the PX. Stewie - Cape Town.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:16 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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went to ex rover main dealer down the road from me today ,,he has a couple of the new mgs for sale ,,i had a look and asked about engines ,the saleman said only 500 to be produced and they have the n series engine in them ,i asked about headgasket probs in later life and was told ,,they have tight fitting metal dowells ,the new mls gasket ,a strengthened oil rail ,and a coolent low sensor that they have fitted since 2005 ,beyond me why landrover did not do a recall doing all the above ,but the most important thing is the low water level sensor as this would tell you to stop engine straight away and save you lots of cash .
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:36 PM
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cbr freelander
Joined 20 Aug 2006
154 posts
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The coolant low level water sensor is a good idea to save cooking your engine, but if water is being lost then its already too late as the gasket has already blown, hence the water loss.
So although it may save you a new engine, it still means a big strip down to replace the gasket,dowels, oil rail and bolts....And if you have any sense, a water pump too and a bloody good flush.Does anyone know of a reason why the MLS gasket fails?...Because due to its make up, it really shouldnt.
So im just wondering if the MLS ones fail if one of the reccomended parts is not fitted..I.E oil rail...If this uprated oil rail is not fitted, the block and head can shimmy around, also causing failure...Its amazing what ive learned since mine failed...But as ive said, mine was non repairable as my block was cracked..
I dare say my old freebie is still going around, a few engines later and full or rad seal!!
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:47 PM
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dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
906 posts
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Stu.Im making nothing personal against you , your doing a pretty good job of that yourself by the looks of it.
You come onto this website making accusations and different claims about this and that but the stark reality is is that you dont know half the story about this issue . Ive been a fully trained Tech for 22 years ...so i doubt that you have forgotten more than i know however of course it is possible , one thing i will not concede on is my knowledge of this vehicle but your apparent lack of knowledge hence the reason why im able to make my judgements based on 11 yrs with this car, where as yours however is like i said previous...pure conjecture. Its because ive seen every kind of hg failure on this vehicle from emulsification to rods through blocks that i can quite happily say that ive never ever seen a Kseries remotely close to catching fire before caused by hg failure...there is however the possibility ( if you were of a cynical disposition ) that the person who was driving the vehicle ( who in this instance happens to be a highly trained technician ) ignored all the warning signs like low pressure warning lights , high or low engine temperature gauge , engine knocking like a crap house door in the wind and drove the vehicle to apparent destruction....but im sure theres no-one out there who would think that could ever happen !!
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:49 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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guy at garage said changed plastic dowells for tight steel ones to stop movement between head and block ,way i see it if you gonna do job change everything for latest design new and done proper first time ,also i wonder if a few still fail even if everything changed and flushed because they are not skimming head or cutting corners on say putting new head bolts on
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:54 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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it was landrover and my insurance company inspector who said engine fire due to headgasket failure causing overheating of wireing ,thus they paid full invoice back and a few k componsation but said i had to keep quiet about it lol,so maybe the landrover inspector from head office did not have as much knowledge as you dudkat ,as i know from working you learn something new every day ,so maybe you just learnt something ,namely that there are other people like myself who know alot of thing about cars ,and not just you in this world
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 7:59 PM
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cbr freelander
Joined 20 Aug 2006
154 posts
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Maybe im missing something here, but how the hell can wiring overheat due to a headgasket going?...It may blow up, it may leak, or breakdown, but i doubt any wires should overheat..
Now mechanics may not be my forte, but electrics are...I know my way round car electrics very well..Ive just fully re wired my mk1 mr2.. So please tell me how this can happen as im very interested..
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:08 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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thats what it said on report from landrover uk ,and my insurance company ,must have been down to the hugh amount of heat melting the insulation on the wires ,i insisted in a full forensic examination of vehicle after fire as i did not think it fair to claim on my insurance after having car for 10 days ,that was both there findings ,there have been reports of fires on freelanders stopping electric windows working and locking central locking on freelanders trapping occupants and it says of the honest johns website who writes for the telegraph its a good idea to carry a glass hammer in freelanders ,indeed they have just recalled some of the new freelanders that have been setting on fire
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:18 PM
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cbr freelander
Joined 20 Aug 2006
154 posts
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Stu, yes freelanders can have various electrical faults due to water ingress etc and chaffing, but ive not heard of any due to the heat from the head gasket...99% of the wiring around the engine bay in insulated in fire retardent tape etc..the manifold itself can create upto 1000c of heat, which is bloody hot!...Maybe you had an electrical fault at the same time as the head gasket, but i doubt the head gasket caused it. But im not arguing..Ive just never heard of it.
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:22 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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loke i said cbr ,got paid off and told to keep quiet ,but i am not because cheque cashed now lol ,there was a member on here whos brother i think worked for landrover and told her the freelander was put to sale with dozens of known repeat known faults it said on her blog ,how dare they
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:31 PM
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cbr freelander
Joined 20 Aug 2006
154 posts
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Im probably the only one on here that would do this, but if i knew the mods had been done 100% and all the tell tale stuff fitted, i would have another one..I loved mine...Its just the car engine in the 4x4 that doesnt go...Also, it is possible to put a honda engine i think into these beasts...It was spoken about a couple of years ago, and would probably have been cheaper that the 2-5 grand some spend on another k series....And we all know that honda engines are good.
I cant remember the exact details, but i know its possible. Maybe someone can shed light on it..
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:42 PM
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Keith
Joined 20 Sep 2005
32 posts
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"there was a member on here whos brother i think worked for landrover and told her the freelander was put to sale with dozens of known repeat known faults it said on her blog ,how dare they"I bought my Freelander in Nov 98. In 09 my daughterinlaw told me about an article in a magazine listing numerouse problems with the Freelander. I bought the magazine (car) but poo poo'd it. This is the only reference I can find to it on the web.
"You could also get the April 1999 issue of Car magazine (UK) that has a four page article entitled ?Secret Files That Condemn Rover? and which talks of ?at least 134 separate Freelander faults?. Their fax number is: 0171 477 7282, their e-mail is: [Log in to view email] I got it from this interesting link!
http://www.landroverexchange.com/forum/messages/6273.html
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:45 PM
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stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
117 posts
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i saw a blog on computer about someone retro fitting honda engine into freelander ,but i cannot find the blog now ,if someone brought out a conversion they would make a fortune ,on the new freelanders i am surprised they did not go the same way as the nissan quasquoi and make a slightly longer base one making it a seven seater ,there is a gap in the market for that ,one thing landrover need to do is look at there aftercare or they will lose there customer base end of .
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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
9 July 2009, 8:46 PM
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Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
114 posts
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Hi all. I have pasted 2gether another 'Epistle'! My apologies, I have a housefull of Influenza! Take from this what you need to.
Here goes .......Thanx Stu. One needs some fun now and again. I agree with dudkat. But I do understand your feelings with the LR, Stu. My '67 Austin 1300 had an HG failure too! Wot we are discussing here, is the K18 series motors. Most older designed engines, used a CAST IRON BLOCK with the cylinders bored into the same material, with a Cast Iron or later, an Alloy Cylinder Head. The bolts holding the Cylinder Head screwed into the Cast Iron Block. The K18 Series (and there are many other similar makes out there) have an ALL ALLOY Engine, constructed like a 'SANDWICH' - everything from TOP to the Crank shaft Carrier(also separate), uses 10 long bolts. The CYLINDER LINERs are a HARDER METAL, and slot in to the BLOCK in a very delicate manner. Simply, this 'SANDWICH' has been 'FLEXING' too much because the engine is designed to :- warm up very quickly with the narrow coolant jackets, wet liners and inflo Thermostat (?) light weight construction be used from 1100cc through to 2 litre competition Engines (read my earlier http's) Thx 4 message steleeuk. Glad the BOLTs R long gone and, yup touch our d---s that your Tech did the FULL WACK! This is where I bring in Stu and dudkat. Stu. We all see dudkat with his experience and wisdom, coming over 'protective' like?
Just remember, his experience to date has helped many a delirious owner with Dealer issues and Factory Warranty protocol, whilst being very fair about how you do things in life????
Correct me if I am misinterpreting. Stu. The new mgtf is the LE500 - 500 only kits, ex new china factory and, assembled in ?Longbridge.
The 'N series' engine derrivative is strengthened structurally, and uses the late 2008 MLS KIT as you have been told. That Oil Rail/Ladder is the secret! The STEEL Locating Dowels were installed from 2001(?). Can u believe that they used PLASTIC DOWELs b4!!!!
I believe the new TF is priced at GBP24999.00. Does it have Hard Top with deal? This Late 2008 MLS KIT and BOLTs, I believe, vastly improves the engine 'Sandwich' structural rigidity. The new chinese owners would have known and studied the K18 issue, and would not have used the
same spec. Now the forum will understand where I am coming from with my earlier
'Thesis approach' to the problem.
As MG freaks, with +30 member cars (+/100 non) in the Cape Town CBD area, a few of us have researched this stuff.
That's why I bought the latest Model TF available, high mileage non HGF car!
I wanted the LATE 2008 MLS KIT and BOLTS, fitted my way, with the latest Chinese Spec. I bet none of you have researched the web http's I submitted a month ago. Not one of you has asked for me to send the Late 2008 MLS Pdf I have.
Email me [Log in to view email] So all of you LR K18 guys an' Gals, if you want to keep driving K18 Cars like us MG Guys, then you better give this info to your Tech's. I sincerely appreciate that not all of us are 'Petrol HeadsÂ’ apart from dudkat, Steleeuk and 'The Girls', who are very capable and intelligent about things so far. Yup, sell if u couldn't be bothered like Rob and many others. Us MG guys are different and have persevered looking for a solution. That is why I am here - as a very interested and luckily qualified and impartial Tech. Who remembers my first contribution? I AM INTERESTED IN FINDING SUCCESSFUL RESULTS AFTER the COMPLETE MLS KIT and BOLTs have been used. The South African MG Car Clubs are keen to get this result. So, my apologies to the majority of us, who quite rightly, are looking to 'NAIL' the Ro - er S - i t e who have retired with FAT CHEQUEs and Lifestyles' beyond normal life, and who STILL IGNORE THIS SERIOUS DESIGN INEFFICIENCY (NOT FAULT) - AN INADEQUATELY STRUCTURED RIGIDITY in the Engine Block. I can kiss my T Eng (CEI) goodbye after this. At least we know that the statement has been read. So, I lose my British Citizenship! The chinese wud probably employ me! Yours sincerely, Stewie Cape Town. PS I do MISS my '69 MGB GT!
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