Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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We have fitted around 50 MLS headgaskets to the K series Freelander since the introduction of the MLS upgrade , since that time we have not had 1 repeat failure ....there are several reasons for this imo. Firstly , the headgasket by design is more naturally robust and is able to cope and withstand a greater temperture range , the effects of an air lock in the cooling system on these vehicles with the old style head gaskets fitted was catastrophic . Secondly , we do not cut corners.... the original problem is diagnosed and rectified as necessary...you have already said this in a previous post and is very important . Protusions need to be measured , water pumps etc should be replaced , in the event of emulsification the whole cooling system should be flushed and if necessary remove the dash to clean the heater core ( matrix ) and replace coolant pipes where needed . Back in the early days if the vehicle was in warranty Land Rover were just replacing engines left right and centre especially if the engine had stopped and emulsified everything...the customer was being told that his engine was FUBAR and beyond repair...hence again why so many people believed that head gasket failure meant total engine failure...but we all know ( well some of us ) that wasnt the case . My advise has stayed the same...if you want to save yourself considerable money then check your coolant religously...it maybe the difference between an engine change or just a repair. I dont just pluck this info out of the air it is a result of stripping these engines down and finding what the hell is going on with them... My heart goes out to anyone who has had a failure , but i have no sympathy for those who have driven their vehicles to destruction...and lets face it there are alot out there . Do you really think that i was born yesterday to have me believe that a fully trained auto tech / enginner would drive a Freelander to the point of catching fire to a bloody wiring loom just because of a hg failure.... PULL THE OTHER ONE ITS GOT BELLS ON IT !!! Now , wheres that pear cider !!
Vehicles DONT just "catch" fire due to headgaskets failing Stu ...you know that , i know that , every trained tech out there worth his salt knows that. If this were the case seeing that Land Rover inspected it there would be without doubt a worldwide recal , seeing as this hasnt happened i think you can safely say this isnt the case . Now whats this recal you here of , about Land Rovers catching fire ?
You need to make a modification to one....i think if i remember right you need a 72C thermo, and drill a 3 mm hole in it, so its never fully closed and when its heating up, it does it gently, so as not to suddenly temp shock the head.
The latest MLS (Multi Layer Steel) HG has:- a) a vastly improved flexibility (required with the K18 design) b) complete coverage bonding surfaces as apposed to coolant/oil apperture circumferance only (as earlier HGs) c) tougher and more flexible fire ring structure d) steel shim with full bonding coat (upper) fitted between HG and Head face - eliminates fire ring indentation of softer head face (so called HARDENED Treatment) NB That's why it important to replace heads on seriously 'Fire Ring "indented" Cyl Head faces'. dudcat - correct me, up to 5thou skim accepted?? dudkat has more K18 experience than I, that's why I wanted to brind the Rover Boff 'Telfer' onto the Forum. Stu, just hang here and be patient. Electrical fires don't happen with I actually find the 'mix' quite interesting. Tell us more dudkat. I find it interesting to read that you are the 'Factory Spy'? You certainly have a broad CV, I am honoured Sir! Regards, Stewie - Cape Town.
We are on the same sentence, same para in the same book friend! I and our Factory trained Michael Robinson look forward ....... Regards, Stewart - Cape Town.
I suggest the head was possibly already damaged from a previous overheat, or most likely an airlock...Some parts of the head having water, and some not..Make sense??..I think so. Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
Had my engine not been $hagged, i reckon it would have worked a treat to help the old girl out.. I reckon the k16's are just like a high dependancy woman...gotta give em lots of love and attention, and make sure their fluids are kept topped up!
You ENSURE a PRT (REMOTE THERMSTAT) is fitted. The original Therm is removed from the housing, and an open restrictor plate is fitted. Comes as a Kit. Please read dudkat and I SERIOUSLY (after his Cider, and my wine!) NO QUICK FIXES one by one, WILL ever SOLVE THE K18 ISSUE. Read it ALL, note it ALL and 'DO IT ALL' and CHECK THE CAUSE OF THE HG FAILURE. Not all HGF is what we can assume! Internal and External LEVEL CHECKS, tell in an INSTANT - TROUBLE ?????????????? That'll confuse them - hey dudkat?? Oh well, bottle open, let's finish it! Rgds. Stewart - Cape Town.
The engine ran cooler, and heated up more slowly and evenly..Sucess in my mind.. But yes stewart, your method is the professional way, if not a bit more expensive.
You also might be about to lose you Passport! Seriously though. Yor darling wife must hav p'd herself wen that lot went up in smoke? I am ashamed to make fun of it all, but please seriously consider things. Most importantly - You and particularly, your darling wife, suffered trauma. You are alive to FACE THE FORUM, which is nothing compared to LIFE in a Freebie with no problems? Statistics show that a Hum drum Motoring life can end with Divorce! Regards, Stewart - Cape Town.
Regards, Stewart - Cape Town.
Yep no probs ...go for it .
Everything you say makes sense to me. As I had horendous problems with my Freelander, I understand where you are coming from. Dudkat probably means well, but he is definately wrong defending the Freelander. This 4x4 was made to go wrong. What do you think, as you are a solicitor, I am sure you could draw up a legally binding contract. Kindest Regards Dont buy a Freelander
I always find I agree with you and not Dudkat. Has he ever owned a Freelander. No car should actually need a low water light, only a low oil light. But if you own the Freelander or any car fitted with the dreaded 1.8 k series engine, then I would definately agree that a low water light is needed. I have only been driving for 38 years, none of the car I have driven have had a low water light, only a low oil light. With the Freelander you would need a low water light, a my gearbox is about to fail light, my cv joint is about to fail light, the transfer box is about to fail light, the electrics are about to catch fire light, the engine mountings are about to fail light, the back window is about to fall out light, the car is not going to start light due to the onboard immobiliser light, the stereo is not going to work properly light, the list goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on and on, and on, and on, and on. The Freelander was truely the worst car I have ever had, and I would definately not buy anything with the Land Rover badge on, and I have just got a new job with a national magazine. And I will definately not be defending anything Land Rover produce - even if they are putting full page adverts in it - if I find hundred of unhappy customers on the forum sites, I will definately be putting the Freelander problems into print, if my editor allows me. And will be highlighting the problems with the Disco 3, check out http://www.landroverhell.com To Land Rover I would say ''you still have time to put matters right. Just be honest. Honesty is the BEST policy''. God help you!!!!!!! DONT BY A FREELANDER Hopefully this shoud stir things up a little!!!! I am not sure I will be able to do any more listings, as the new job is 24/7. I wish you all well, even Dudkat!!!!!
Wotever, an interesting project you suggest. I am 'skint' having just offloaded 2G on the MG job, let alone the 8500 on the car! Still have not sold the BGT or the Peugeot 206 CC (another hot one!) Wot do you say dudkat ? Anyways. Steleeuk has done it. Steleeuk, you are the experiment, and those that have religiously carried out the LATEST SPEC IN ALL RESPECTS! My thoughts in a nutshell! My car is also done (plus Liners, rings and crank shells) dudkat must chat to Telfer (wen he appears) about the mid-engine Why .......... colder coolant entering the head thermo area (Thermo Shock to Cyl Head that cbr was referring to) This with MG TF and Lotus Elise! Front engines ran a bit cooler - ha ha. Had the same inflo at the Cyl Head???? I suppose, that I must put some kms on the clock then? Sleep tite all, and happy motoring. Stewart - Cape Town.
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