Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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They would do a worldwide recal if it was found that the hg failing ( and i mean just as a result of failing ) caused a fire....however they havent so im sure this isnt the case . A normal hg failure isnt directly safety related like a brake failing so it normal terms will never be covered under a safety recal .
I saw em all a couple of years back, when i had all my freebie issues and even sent emails to complete groups in land rover. I was as miffed as everyone else. But they didnt do a thing. One even replied with a quote for repair including all upgrades available at the time. Cheeky swines! I went to my local dealer, and they all knew about the problem, even the tea boy!, but still it changed nothing. I can only assume they have a criteria to honour repairs, or its at the individual dealers discrestion. The fix now is in our own hands. I suppose its along the same lines as, why do all fords rust?, why do all fiesta 1.1's rattle, remember the old ford CVH's....they were plauged with issues too..1.8's as well funnily enough. Its all from making a smaller engine bigger into something its not.......Same as why do all freebies eat HG's... Its the nature of the beast and nothings gonna change it..Its up to us to find a solution. If indeed there is one. Maybe its just a case of slowing the timebomb, but there are undoubtedly things we can do to help it.
there are also reports of people opening the bonnets when it fails and the header cap stripping its own threads and blowing off spraying boiling hot water everywhere. This is my whole point Stu, do you realise how hot this would of got to actually have this happen?.....do you think that these people were merrily driving down the road one day and without warning there was a huge BANG and that was the end of that ? The warning signs are there....if people would only check their coolant and oils this wouldnt happen. Go back to page 38 and read forward...somewhere there was a gent who took his vehicle in for an mot and whilst he was watching it he noticed he had no coolant in his header tank , he asked the garage to check it over and indeed the hg had failed...by his own admission he said that he had not checked the levels for months and he was suprised as the vehicle was running so well....Now if left this would have been one of the vehicles that would have totalled everything. Years and years of evidence of whats been happening is present on this site....you need to take a look back through and digest some of the info then come back to me and tell me why my advise is so wrong .
I for one am grateful to the technically minded members of this forum (e.g. Dudkat), I no longer have my freelander, using information gained from this site I sold it ASAP once I noticed coolant loss and no obvious cause – but without this forum I would not have known what was the most likely cause and been able to act before total HG failure. But I still look at the postings on the forum. Yes checking the coolant and oil every day was a pain, not what you expect to do in these lazy days of motoring is it ! Even so during the first year of owning my 1.8 (had a 1989 defender for 10years before the freelander) I spent more on repairs than on fuel (fuel pump, window regulator, ABS sensor, clutch fell apart) I was by the end fed up with the car and when coolant started to disappear I decided to sell promising myself never to buy LR again given the pain I had had with the freelander. BUT 18month on I have purchased an old (1996) 300TDI discovery and why? because the LR is still the best offer roader made (in my view) and I use mine off road and I also remember back to my 1989 defender which gave me no trouble other than exhaust and tyres etc. Also, so what if it takes a few scratches or bumps it’s a LR. Yes the freelander one 1.8 was crap but the original LR products were the best for true off road users they lost the plot when they tried to make them all things to all people ie expensive people carriers never going off road and lots of electronics. And yes I now find I have a discovery which leaks water via the sun roof when it rains and yes via the web it is a very common fault, requiring the headliner to be removed to fix it – but given the age how many other cars would still be running? with such a minor problem. But when off road I know which make of car I would rather be in – a LR built for off road!!!! with a mass of extra parts and tyres options and several magazines with LR in the title. Regards
dudkat - you are 90% correct in ALL respects of your thinking. Todays' motorist does not need to check levels every second of the day! I as a Tech, understand where you are coming from! Why must an LR Freebie owner guess, that the Levels must be checked 24/7 ??? And MG and Lotus ????? I still believe that this K18 designer must communicate with us all. They are VULNERABLE to this? But at least release research and I can contibute the following - my first car a HILLMAN IMP 875 with South African Conversion Basil Van Rooyen! This darling Coventry Climax Motor was consructed of 'Plastic'! It wore out in 5 seconds - but never blew an HG! Jeepers - back in the 60/70's I remember measuring each Tappet Shim and grinding and polishing same - no shim selection was available! I checked levels at each fuel stop! But it didn't stop the excessive bore wear! I wrote to Rootes, and the result was unbelievable! Spares at kool prices and and the Tech support. I am a Tech, with similar questions to these Freebie owners, but I remain Let's solve this issue without the Factory ? Regards to all on the Forum. Pik is 2 Trawlers that beached in a Table Bay Storm a year ago. Enjoy. Stewart - Cape Town.
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I would be the first to agree that checking levels etc shouldnt be necessary in todays terms but it still essential even if we are talking about a brand new Audi or your MGB . Ive heard it loads of time on here that checking levels will not stop your head gasket from failing...if we are talking about an actual internal failure of the hg then no it wont stop that , however with these engines airlocks and any coolant leaks are a big problem and it doesnt take long until you have a major overheat situation and seeing as the old style hg was as capable of withstanding heat as i am of running the London Marathon then you can see the obvious concerns and the need to check your levels on this vehicle . Have a good weekend
U must differentiate between 'Stu' and 'Stewart'. 'Stew' is fine for me! Stu is also a kool and interesting forum buddy! U too, have Gr8 weekend. I am seeing long lost (Ex) family 2morro pm, the current missus is sick with influenza?? - so I will take the K18 for a L O N G 'run in' drive - some 65 kms near Simonstown! It's gr8 meeting you. Keep smiling Stewart - Cape Town. PS A pik of a 'Cricket at Newlands', Cape Town 'Sunset' - enjoy!
You must also have a gr8 weekend. Just check out this Sunset Pik at Newlands Cricket, Cape Town. Shikes, this German GP Practice is boring! Just enjoy listening to the BBC Radio Sport Commentators, and just catch up with the Banter! Louis is the fastest in last practice! 1.32.149 then Jenson. Rain forecast!
Still, u got the Cape Town picture both ways! Another one - just for the Forum - with Sail Surfer in Pik! Regards Stewart - Cape Town.
Tech Bulletins??? 0026 - 22/8/2001 and 0036 - 18/6/2004. I am just going off line for a bit to study my 2003 CD for the 0026 Bulletin. Have to change my computor Date! Hope u enjoyed the 'Different' Piks for a change? Today is my business - the refurbishment of an 1800 Dutch Tallcase, with Complication and 7 selections of 'Bell Chime' known Music Classics. Enjoy - wish the K18 ran like this Masterpiece does! Stewart - Cape Town.
At last Telfer from the Rover 75 Forum has replied on K V6 for 'the ladies' - not that they would be interested now? Hi Stewart, LR Forum folk that are interested, can Google <Rover KV6> - I will repeat what I have read! Yup, same issue with earlier H gasket! I will next post a 'copy and paste' from 1 of many http's for your info. Regards, Woodiess - CT
Yup, it looks like am I bringing up a 'Can of Worms' here ? What are your experiences of the Sterling KV6 ? For those interested, a copy and paste follows. King Arthur says it all? Rover KV6 2.5 - corky Can anyone advise? Comments and advice would be welcome Regards, Corky New Tue 28 Oct 03 17:30 Corky, It has been said that the 2.5 as it was before the Rover 75 was introduced was a bit weak but BMW worked with Rover to overcome the weaknesses and make it almost bomb-proof. If that is so, and since you received your new engine after the launch of the 75, I would have thought yours would be OK for a long while yet. Where does your automatic gearbox question fit in with this? I haven't quite grasped the connection (if any). New Wed 29 Oct 03 10:30 Sorry, the reason I mentioned the gearbox, is that if that is going to require rebuild/replacement as well as the engine failing within say the next 30K miles, then I should think really serious about selling the car on. My experience with a 86 Scorpio (2.9) was that I got 120K miles before the gear box required any work on it. So I was hoping I might get the same out of the Sterling. (Maybe I just got lucky). My driving is mostly motorway, so I would hope that would help. New Tue 28 Oct 03 17:36 In my travels around Rover and Land Rover dealers, I have seen a number of V6 75's with engine problems, usually head/head gasket issues, as far as I can tell. Same applies to Freelander V6's. They seem to be particularly fussy about coolant levels (much like the smaller K series), which doesn't bode well for their longevity. New Tue 28 Oct 03 18:11 Some more recent 75s had chocolate camshafts, and early 75s had crankshaft sensor problems. In fairness, many of my colleagues drive KV6 engined 75s (and one Freelander), most have covered high mileages, some intergalactically so, and the only problem I know of is one crankshaft sensor when brand new (2000W). New Wed 29 Oct 03 10:36 Thanks for your comment. When the first engine failed I was told by the Rover dealership mechanic that yes they did have problems with the factory installed coolant in the early units, apparently it did not like the gasket material and/or the alloy engine which caused the corrosion. I would hope that would be an issue which could readily have been resolved. So like you say, it may depend upon the coolant that goes into these units when serviced. New Wed 29 Oct 03 14:18 After 100yrs of practice, building good, smooth & reliable engines should be a doddle for manufacturers these days... Whoever designed & signed off the CVH (Chronic Vibration & Harshness?)should be sentenced to 25yrs stripping down & rebuilding V-Tech engines... New Wed 29 Oct 03 16:45 The first examples of the KV6 fitted to the 800 were apparently almost hand built, as if Rover was using the 800 as a guinea-pig. Suffered from catastrophic head problems that usually meant a new engine required. After a couple of years the engine was redesigned, so later examples shouldn't suffer this problem. The head gasket problem highlighted on a recent program relates to K-series engines built before 1999 and is a separate issue, but should not normally mean a new engine being required - unless possibly if the owner continues to drive with the engine overheating. Do not use your experience of the Ford Granada's auto gearbox in judging the likely longevity of the 75 one - 120k sounds about right for a Granny auto. Reply to this message Report message as offensive The rubber beading on the standard head gasket fails & allows the engine oil & coolant to mix, not a good thing. We're using the tri-layer steel type head gasket, the only one to use.
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