Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
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yes a little confused I think here, I had the repair done by the mechanic at the garage I purchased the freelander from in dec 07, six months later loss of coolant and confirmation by a local garage that there were high hydro carbons in the cooling system = hg failure again, the jude said he was satisfied the repair was done properly otherwise his view is I would have had problems with the freelander before 6 months had elapsed. Hope thats a bit clearer for you. Thanks again Wendy
When the hg failed for the 2nd time you say you had high hydrocarbons in the coolant but what was the actual fault that you noticed?
Sorry 4 the mixup in name's! I agree, and thank u 4 the message. I must say, that Wendy may, be getting huge confusion with all the Stu's and Stewart's advices and questions here?? Wendy, dudkat72 is your EX LR Tech and, the advice to follow Technically. (dudkat - 'hydrocarbons' IS Combustion Gases in Coolant! Therefore, W's HG has gone again, and seems like the Liners have dropped, or Fire Rings??) Stu, seems the Legally correct advice to follow, with the all important dudkat72 Tech Logic. I, Stewart W - Cape Town, support dudkat and stu 100% - so take up their offer and suggestions. They are trying to help you. I apologise for my 'Longwinded' Technical postings, but Hamill, dudkat, telfor, kaiser, others and myself have posted Technical requirements in most of the 182 pages of this Forum, since January 2005!! The most recent of which was my 'copy and paste' summaries P 180 and 181. Please copy and paste the http's at the end of my P 180 posting. Study of these will help your Engineer with his assessment. Also remember the modified parts pdf I can forward (copy on P 181) Stewart W - CT emphasises - K18 Engine HG REPAIRS MUST BE CARRIED OUT WITH THESE PROCEDURES, PARTS and RECOMMENDATIONS. There are many causes! IF NOT - THE REPAIR WILL NOT BE DURABLE, and WILL BE A WASTE OF EVERYONE's TIME and EFFORT!! Wendy. If you want to persevere with this Claim, copy and paste these procedures and parts requirements to the same Engineer that carried out the last assessment for your Court Case. Together with dudkat72 and Stu, you may find a way. Personally, do yourself a favour. You have recieved GBP500, so spend another 500 and get the job done properly without hasselling with Legal wrangles and extra expence?? dudkat72 will advise you - my MG TF is early days, but kool so far. The MG Club CT has 10+ cars done with this correct procedure! I agree with what dudkat says - "No issues for 2 years since mod repair instituted". The 2009 Parts should be even better? Go for it Kiddo, and get back to enjoying your LR Freebie! Best regards to you all. NB My K18 is behind the Seats!! Stewart W. 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
On checking the water and oil weekly I noticed within 1 week that the coolant was non existent in the expansio tank, on topping up a few days later I could hear a water rushing sound behind the dashboard upon switching the engin on, posted for help on here and was advised by some one to get it check out asap, did so and was told high hydrocarbons and the rest is history..... that was in June 08, tried to get advised from the garage from where I purcased it and had the first repair done only to be told their repair was only gaureented for 1 month!, went down trading standards route, who advised court action on the finace company as apparently they are resposible!!!! went to court and the judge brought in the garage as a part 2 defendant.
Wendy - PLEASE listen Kiddo - very important! You want the vehicle, or want OUT ??? YOU make your decision ?? If you want to keep the LR? Then do it right, as I,dudkat and Telfor have highlighted! Meantime, I will try and 'Copy and Paste' my Labour and Parts Invoices for my K18 in Cape Town. My Tech, billed some parts separately, as they are better priced than 'OUR' Parts supplier!!! Wendy, this is my bill........... I have left Reg Numbers for Legit Copy.. ALL MONEY'S ARE SAR and and need to be divided by 11.50 for approx GB Sterling. Glen Eden Trading 247 trading as Robinson Service center.Company reg no.2008/112190/23.Company Vat no.4890250133 R S C Invoice No. 209
Michael 082 557 1010 [Log in to view email] Johan 082 810 3973 Customer VAT no Date 22 June 2009 Qty DescriptionHrs sold TOTAL Account number: 4072199281 Thank you for using Robinson Service Centre. All invoices to be paid strictly cash before vehicle leaves our premises. Failure to comply to this may lead to legal Life's too short not to experience sheer driving pleasure Glen Eden Trading 247 trading as Robinson Service center.Company reg no.2008/112190/23.Company Vat no.4890250133 _____________________________________________________________ CLASSICALLY BRITISH Car [Log in to view email] 1000000 PET10042 gasket 14.00% 38.00 That's it, Wendy! Do it and, Enjoy your car, and have it done! Stewart W - Cape Town.
YOU MUST GET 'ALIVE' NOW, and DECIDE WHAT TO DO? Are you are referring to something that happened in June 2008 ??? It is now PAST TENSE! I feel your EMOTIONs Kiddo? Forget this 'FIGHT' - you WILL NOT WIN it ! Read my last post - you want the Car or NOT ?? If you DO, then follow OUR recommendations, and do it RIGHT. It is WORTH the Grand expence. We don't expect you to be 'ALIVE' technically, that's why I suggested 'Copy, Paste and Print' the postings to your Technician or Lawyer? dudkat can advise a good Tech to get it done. Very Special regards, Stewart - Cape Town. 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
Looking at the pik below, let's get Technical please. How do you see the problem IN THIS PERSPECTIVE, as highlighted in one of the http's I sent you guys. Seriously study this Pik ad give me your 'undivided attention' , Sir! Stewart W - Cape Town. 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town. Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
Let's get Technically involved, friend. My last Post to WENDY, I asked you alot of an 'HG Pik' - 'The Common Cause' - at that 'specific position' of the HG - ?? Cyl - 1/2 - 2/3 - 3/4 ?? Interesting hey? We have highlighted several areas on this Forum, but never focused on a point of interest? specific to the problem in discussion. TELFOR's responce here, would be so interesting? (Pik on last Posting to Wendy) This Post, enjoys a pik of the 'Old, and New Oil Rails' Best Regards, Stewart W - Cape Town. 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
It would be good to see a closer picture of the hg , and a picture of the cylinder head but it appears from the picture that the rubber seal around the bolt hole as been breached allowing water and oil mix , also noticeable carbon deposits around the fire rings perhaps caused by liner dropping.....hence a picture of the head would be good.
Thanks for all your help and advice, I have decided to get it fixed properly by someone who knows this engine, hopefully the damage isnt too bad, there is no milky oil anywhere and no oils leaks just this dam loos of coolant, if anyone can recommeny a mechanic in the south wales area who knows his stuff on freelander all suggestions welcome. Thanks again boys.
Did your vehicle misfire first thing in the morning for a while then clear itself ?
W's last post mentions 'no milk' in the Oil or Coolant? Wendy - as dudkat and all of us have said, THERE ARE MANY CAUSES, Maybe you have a Coolant leak in the 'Piping or Rad' ?? This is why we recommend a switched on Tech to Analyse the situation! You last mention a local Tech? Then get him involved, because we cannot solve this over the Internet, Kiddo! You have had my PM with parts requirement this morning, so go for it. Seriosly remember though, that your parts list could be VERY different to mine?? You have the Part Numbers for the SERIOUS MATERIAL - get cracking. Apologies BTW, my Email was down today. WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE WENDY ? You are welcome to email me. This is one of the http's I recommended - Parts Prices. http://www.qednet.demon.co.uk/rk/remotestat.htm The new Oil Rail (pictured Top) with MLS Gasket and Shim, are the most important replacements, to ensure up to date Spec. Regards to all, Stewie - CT
Not worth going there again. Otherwise Motor was OK - bearing and (maybe the Oil Pump) replacement must be precautionary. Water Pump is a 'must' because of usual impeller degradation.? Regards, Stewart W - CT. 
___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
With regards to Wendy's car i suspect one of 3 things , firstly the inlet manifold gasket may have failed leaking coolant directly into the engine ( i doubt this though seeing as there are hydro carbons present ) secondly there maybe a crack in the cylinder head , or thirdly a cracked liner. The best form of diagnosis in this instance would be to do a compression loss test and check for the resulting loss from the relivent points around the engine. From what she has said so far it does not sound catastrophic, although you can never tell with this engine. FOR WENDY....Are you experiencing the same symptoms now as you did the first time....ie were you experiencing coolant loss but no oil and water mix etc?
No never miss fired at all just coolant loss, symptoms of first hg failure was a big bang backfire on starting up outside a local shop and juddering on driving, lack of warmth from heater on checking under the bonet when I arrived home, loss of coolant and messy milky oil in engine. None of this this time, flew through mot in feb this year and still drives smoothly, im just petrified to take it anywhere incase of breaking down, have been starting it up regular and moving parking positions but now court case is over im looking to get it going again. It's not smoking, oil is black, oil level is good, just loss of coolant and the trickling sound of water behind dashboard????????????
These motors are critical with this correct bleeding procedure (maybe more my mid engine layout than your front mounting) Regards, Stewart ___________________ Technology is how you apply it....... woodiess - Cape Town.
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