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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 September 2009, 10:51 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Hi Wendy. Stewart from Cape Town here.
YOU MUST GET 'ALIVE' NOW, and DECIDE WHAT TO DO?
Are you are referring to something that happened in June 2008 ???
It is now PAST TENSE! I feel your EMOTIONs Kiddo?
Forget this 'FIGHT' - you WILL NOT WIN it !
Read my last post - you want the Car or NOT ??
If you DO, then follow OUR recommendations, and do it RIGHT. It is WORTH the Grand expence.
We don't expect you to be 'ALIVE' technically, that's why I suggested 'Copy, Paste and Print' the postings to your Technician or Lawyer?
dudkat can advise a good Tech to get it done.
Very Special regards, Stewart - Cape Town.




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 September 2009, 11:09 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Hi dudkat,
Looking at the pik below, let's get Technical please. How do you see the problem IN THIS PERSPECTIVE, as highlighted in one of the http's I sent you guys.
Seriously study this Pik ad give me your 'undivided attention' , Sir!
Stewart W - Cape Town.




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
28 September 2009, 11:42 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Hi dudkat. You know I have followed closely with you on this thread. There are many questions to be answered.
Let's get Technically involved, friend.
My last Post to WENDY, I asked you alot of an 'HG Pik' -
'The Common Cause' - at that 'specific position' of the HG - ??
Cyl - 1/2 - 2/3 - 3/4 ??
Interesting hey?
We have highlighted several areas on this Forum, but never focused on a point of interest? specific to the problem in discussion.
TELFOR's responce here, would be so interesting? (Pik on last Posting to Wendy)
This Post, enjoys a pik of the 'Old, and New Oil Rails'
Best Regards,
Stewart W - Cape Town.




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 10:43 AM
dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
937 posts

Stewart.

It would be good to see a closer picture of the hg , and a picture of the cylinder head but it appears from the picture that the rubber seal around the bolt hole as been breached allowing water and oil mix , also noticeable carbon deposits around the fire rings perhaps caused by liner dropping.....hence a picture of the head would be good.


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 3:18 PM
wendy875uk
Joined 10 Dec 2007
34 posts

Hi boys,

Thanks for all your help and advice, I have decided to get it fixed properly by someone who knows this engine, hopefully the damage isnt too bad, there is no milky oil anywhere and no oils leaks just this dam loos of coolant, if anyone can recommeny a mechanic in the south wales area who knows his stuff on freelander all suggestions welcome. Thanks again boys.



Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 8:09 PM
dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
937 posts

Wendy.

Did your vehicle misfire first thing in the morning for a while then clear itself ?


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 9:44 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Good one Dudkat.
W's last post mentions 'no milk' in the Oil or Coolant?
Wendy - as dudkat and all of us have said, THERE ARE MANY CAUSES,
Maybe you have a Coolant leak in the 'Piping or Rad' ??
This is why we recommend a switched on Tech to Analyse the situation!
You last mention a local Tech? Then get him involved, because we cannot solve this over the Internet, Kiddo!
You have had my PM with parts requirement this morning, so go for it. Seriosly remember though, that your parts list could be VERY different to mine??
You have the Part Numbers for the SERIOUS MATERIAL - get cracking.
Apologies BTW, my Email was down today.
WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE WENDY ? You are welcome to email me.
This is one of the http's I recommended - Parts Prices.
http://www.qednet.demon.co.uk/rk/remotestat.htm
The new Oil Rail (pictured Top) with MLS Gasket and Shim, are the most important replacements, to ensure up to date Spec.

Regards to all, Stewie - CT




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 10:01 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

dudkat - to answer you, the Liners had dropped signifilently and had started to 'hammer the Head' to allow the HG failure as Pictured - 2003 and 67th kms ??? Interresting!
Not worth going there again.
Otherwise Motor was OK - bearing and (maybe the Oil Pump) replacement must be precautionary. Water Pump is a 'must' because of usual impeller degradation.?
Regards, Stewart W - CT.




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
29 September 2009, 11:36 PM
dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
937 posts

Stewart.

With regards to Wendy's car i suspect one of 3 things , firstly the inlet manifold gasket may have failed leaking coolant directly into the engine ( i doubt this though seeing as there are hydro carbons present ) secondly there maybe a crack in the cylinder head , or thirdly a cracked liner.

The best form of diagnosis in this instance would be to do a compression loss test and check for the resulting loss from the relivent points around the engine. From what she has said so far it does not sound catastrophic, although you can never tell with this engine.

FOR WENDY....Are you experiencing the same symptoms now as you did the first time....ie were you experiencing coolant loss but no oil and water mix etc?


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
30 September 2009, 2:41 PM
wendy875uk
Joined 10 Dec 2007
34 posts

Hi again

No never miss fired at all just coolant loss, symptoms of first hg failure was a big bang backfire on starting up outside a local shop and juddering on driving, lack of warmth from heater on checking under the bonet when I arrived home, loss of coolant and messy milky oil in engine. None of this this time, flew through mot in feb this year and still drives smoothly, im just petrified to take it anywhere incase of breaking down, have been starting it up regular and moving parking positions but now court case is over im looking to get it going again. It's not smoking, oil is black, oil level is good, just loss of coolant and the trickling sound of water behind dashboard????????????


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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
30 September 2009, 5:32 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Hi Wendy and dudkat - that's air in the coolant system? You need to start with and a system bleed with your Tech.
These motors are critical with this correct bleeding procedure (maybe more my mid engine layout than your front mounting)
Regards, Stewart


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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
30 September 2009, 7:31 PM
stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
138 posts

yes stew,it is critical to make sure you have no air in water system as it causes hot spots and warpes the cylinder head .

Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 October 2009, 9:19 AM
Des Hammill
Joined 12 May 2006
236 posts

Stewart W - Cape Town

It's been some time since I looked at this site and I've read what you have said with interest. Firstly there are no unanswered questions about the K-Series engine, as far as I'm concerned. All of the necessary information is out there, for example the book I put out on this specific subject, 'The Rover K-Series 16V Engine' ISBN 1-84155-688-2/9 781841 556888, explains in detail the causes and most effective cures/rebuild techniques to make these engines as reliable as it is possible to get them. There is no need to keep churning the possibilities over and over again looking for answers, it's all been done before by myself and others.

Hello dudcat72, I hope all is well with you.

Kindest Regards
Des Hammill


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 October 2009, 7:01 PM
stu
Joined 1 Sep 2008
138 posts

keep up the good work stew in cape town,,,as you look for a cure to get the engine even better repaired .

Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 October 2009, 9:04 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Thank you Des. I have yet to get your publication and sincerely appreciate your post 1st Oct.
Yup, I have rattled on a bit with repeated postings, but every new comer
on the Forum does not have the inclination to read past posts on the now 183 pages! I only read 40 pages and then got bored!
Telfor (Scotland) and I have had a few PM's, with which I have learnt so much. What an amazing background he has had in the Motor Indusrty.
My last 'rattle' -
IDENTIFY THE CAUSE, and RECTIFY IT PROPERLY, WITH THE CORRECT PARTS AND PROCEDURES.
Sadly, my Lady does not like the 'Hardness' of the MG TF, so my coice will be to stick to my 69 MGB. The TF is for sale.
Kind regards, Stewart W - Cape Town.




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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
1 October 2009, 9:17 PM
Stewart
Joined 13 Jun 2009
141 posts

Thanx Stu. Appreciate your post. Stewart W.


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Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
2 October 2009, 8:49 AM
DONT BUY A FREELANDER
Joined 8 Nov 2008
168 posts

Hi all found 5 minutes to read a couple of your comments, to Wendy I say get the Freelander repaired then sell it on.

People keep saying on this Website that the Freelander headgasket problem has been cured. I think some one said ''no reported issues with head gasket failure in the last two years with the new multilayer gasket etc''. Whose facts are these, We need proof from a professional body. And why are Land Rover not posting this comment on this website that the headgasket failure issue has been cured? Certainly more than enough headgasket failures report on this websie.

With the Freelander there is more than one issue with it. What about the risk of fire, gearbox failure, transfer box failure etc. All of these things I suffered when I owned a Freelander.

Wendy I know the car drives lovely and you probably feel great driving it. But this 4x4 will eventually breakdown again and again. It'll end up costing you a fortune to repair.

The 4x4 has had its day, sell it while you still can!

If you are thinking of even buying a Freelander, then make sure you have a very very good bank balance because you are going to need it!

My repair bills on the Freelander that I owned ran it £1,000's, you have been warned. I personally know 3 other of my friends who have had Freelanders, they all had major problems, they all would never buy one again. BUYER BEWARE!!!


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
2 October 2009, 6:47 PM
dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
937 posts

DONT BUY A FREELANDER.

Why do you continue the way you do...if you havent realised by now this isnt the reason for this thread.
After telling you so many times that this has fixed the problem you still continue to ask the same questions.

We all know that your Freelander failed after the new gasket was fitted but ive told you time and time again that i strongly suspect that your original job was not done properly. I maintain that since the new hg mods have been available we have had NO repeat failures. These are my FACTS...not Land Rovers facts.....how do you expect official figures of the success of this repair when they are all being done by smaller garages and not under the manafactures warranty?

You continue with the risk of fire senario....EVERY CAR ON THE ROAD HAS A RISK OF FIRE SENARIO.

Youve turned this whole issue into a personal vendetta mainly due to the problems youve had with a second hand Freelander, for god sake give it up and give us some information which people can use instead of telling them to get rid of their vehicles ...short term that is helping no-one.

Time for red wine !!


Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
2 October 2009, 10:42 PM
DONT BUY A FREELANDER
Joined 8 Nov 2008
168 posts

Sorry! But this was the only car that I had ever lost £9500 on!!!!

You tell me the problem is sorted with the Freelander.

But Land Rover are NOT CONFIRMING THIS!!

Land Rover did not help me at all, only wanted to make money out of me, for faults that were inbuilt in the Freelander.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of Freelander, and I have mine!

I believe this is still a free country!

THE FREELANDER REALLY WAS THE ONLY CAR THAT I HAVE EVER OWNED THAT WAS A LEMON!!

Wendy read all the comments on this website, make your own mind up!



Land Rover Freelander Head Gasket Failure
3 October 2009, 0:05 AM
dudkat72
Joined 6 Mar 2006
937 posts

DONT BUY.

Why would Land Rover confirm that they have fixed a problem on a vehicle that they no longer produce.....theyve avoided blaim for years now, do you really think theyre going to hold their hands up now and say " yes weve fixed the hg problem in the Freelander "

The problem in my experience has been sorted IF the job is done correctly.


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