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rover 416 starting / running problem
21 April 2005, 10:46 PM

tim
Joined 21 Apr 2005
6 posts

Strange engine problem on P reg 416 - i've been suffering probs for a while now . Engine has been started from cold ok and idles ok but when i try to drive off the car kangaroos up the road and there is no power at all so i have to stop. After revving the engine a bit it seems ok and off i go. However, somtimes when driving, the power drops off suddenly- rather like putting on full choke and then clears. Occasionaly ALL power goes and i have to pull over and rev for a while and off i go again. Changed the fuel filter and all was well for about 3 weeks until it all started again. If i start it up and let it idle up to normal temp then it runs fine apart from the occasional power drop-off as mentioned. When starting from hot there is no problem. I changed the plugs - no improvement. have now put on new distributor cap and rotor and it is now a sod to start - it sounds like an ancient diesel tractor rattling etc. BUT, again, when hot it goes fine . Had a new head gasket, cam belt and water pump fitted a year ago and all this has started since then - any connection ? or could it be the ubiquitous crankcase sensor ? Any ideas ? thanks

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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 April 2005, 8:56 AM

Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2457 posts

Hi. Does sound like it could be the crankshaft sensor.

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rover 416 starting / running problem
24 April 2005, 3:33 PM

tim
Joined 21 Apr 2005
6 posts

thanks for the reply.

car has now gone completley bonkers. difficult to start - revs drop off as soon as pedal is touched, coughs and splutters, no power at all so have taken it in to rover dealer to get it sorted out (hopefully) .

after taking courage in both hands and with heart in mouth drove it 10 miles to dealers with no problems (aint that just typical ) will have to wait a couple of days for them to get back to me.

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rover 416 starting / running problem
6 May 2005, 8:19 PM

olwyndwr
Joined 6 May 2005
1 posts

hi,
I have a 416Si 97P, with erratic revving. the revs keep dropping and then coming abck up again. The rev counter flicks all over the place !! Sometimes stalls completely. Local garage have had a look but say there is nothing they can do - they have checked the crankshaft sensor and thats OK. Now they recommend I get it to a Rover dealer.

i'd be interested in the result of your visit to the dealer.

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rover 416 starting / running problem
6 May 2005, 8:37 PM

tim
Joined 21 Apr 2005
6 posts

hi - took my 416 to a main dealer in the end - they put it on the computer for an hour - £70.00. told me it needed a new rotor arm and coil - bill up to £160.00. called me and then said it needed a new back box on exhaust - they said it had collapsed and was causing back pressure on the exhaust valves so lack of compression etc .Bill up to £300. phoned me and said there was no improvement and that they would need to take off head etc and rebuild etc - wanted another £800.00. No thanks sez i - ok they said - we'll take off all the bits we've put on. Final result nothing achieved and a final bill for £200.00. stuff it will now sell to anyone who wants it for what I can get. Have now bought a new Honda Jazz. Good riddence to bad, absolute cr*p I am glad rover have gone bust ( sorry for the workers) but they shouldn't produce such garbage no wonder they've gone down the pan. I have always bought british - 2 montegos and a metro and every one of them has either rotted away or had mechanical problems so have given up and bought japanese which i should have done years ago.

sorry not to be much help but i am one pi**ed off ex rover owner all i can say is that i reckon it needs a good decoke around the exhaust valves and never use cheap fuel. my problems all started after the head gasket blew and was replaced - maybe something nasty happened then but it was a very gradual decline until now it wont run at all unless i let it idle to normal temp and then it will run ok for some time - but if started from hot there is no power at all and all i can do is slip the clutch to keep the revs up and crawl home . have got to wait 6 weeks for the jazz to arrive
good luck

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rover 416 starting / running problem
6 May 2005, 8:59 PM

Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2457 posts

Hi. If you are in my area (Bucks) bring it to me, nothing has beaten me yet, no fix no fee !

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rover 416 starting / running problem
6 May 2005, 9:26 PM

tim
Joined 21 Apr 2005
6 posts

thanks, but i'm in east yorkshire - just my luck!!!

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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 May 2005, 9:01 PM

Techno buff
Joined 13 May 2005
3 posts

hi
i have been correcting the exact problem you are having for some time and in 99.9% of cases it is the same thing. The fuel pump system on these cars is a vacume type with the fuel pump located actualy inside the tank, (god knows why!!) anyway this is very prone to impact or shock damage even the usual humps in the road can destroy the functionality of the pump and cause, non starting, over reving, hoping, cutting out etc. Replace with a non genuine rover part (patern) and hey presto problem solved.

I think it was a way of the old rover company to make a fortune out of its unfortunate buyers, but thats just my point of view of course

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rover 416 starting / running problem
15 May 2005, 9:00 PM

Audz
Joined 15 May 2005
1 posts

Have had various problems with my 1996 P reg Rover 416 SLi. But this latest one has just about finished me. Had a full service last month, and it was running fine. Had been out and about in my car during the day, got home parked it and thought nothing more. Went out to go to my work and the car wouldn't start. Phoned the AA. When he came told me I had very serious problems but couldn't say what, except that my engine seems to have locked/seized. It has very little movement back and forth. Engine is not turning at all. He looked at the timing belt and said it 'looked' ok. He pressed it (presumably testing tension) and it bounced back so it doesn't appear to have broken. No 1 spark plug battered but no 2 spark plug ok. Didn't check 3 & 4. Thinks a piston has come up and battered no 1 spark plug. He said that he thought I might be cheaper buying a new engine than trying to repair existing one. Its a Rover engine, twin cam, 16valve. Any ideas?

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 May 2005, 8:08 AM

Edited by Julian 16 May 2005, 8:10 AM

Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2457 posts

Hi. It sounds like the AA man is right, there are plenty of engines out there, look at the Rover 420 gearbox thread for links to breakers etc

.http://www.1stchoice.co.uk/index.aspx
http://www.partsgateway.co.uk/
http://www.247spares.co.uk/
http://www.find-a-part.com

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 May 2005, 5:24 PM

tim
Joined 21 Apr 2005
6 posts

thats a bummer. I never did find out what was wrong with mine - i've now given up and the scrap man took it away last week. bought a honda instead. hope you get it fixed ok.

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 May 2005, 8:59 PM

Techno buff
Joined 13 May 2005
3 posts

Hi m8
See above he's right, if a motor is "hitting" its time to get rid i'm afraid, but an engine alone from a scrappy will cost more than a whole replacement car that's in good order.
It is also worth checking out e-bay for rover cars & rover bits, with the demise of rover group car & part prices are falling fast, i saw a 99 (T) in good order for less than £330 final price 15-05-05, (thats cheaper than most scodas).

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 June 2005, 2:38 PM

Mij
Joined 16 Jun 2005
5 posts

Hi
Another P reg Rover 416 - my wife's, different starting problem though. Starter motor would not turn over, just a solenoid click. Couldn't find the problem. OK I thought, probably brushes or something, just push start it for now to get home.
I've push started many a car over the years, not recently though - they got more reliable, thank God. Same old method - get car moving, ignition on, into gear (usually 2nd) and release clutch. Car either judders to a halt or engine starts up. Not this one though. I felt the slight extra drag when it went into gear (as expected), but when the clutch was released, nothing. No sound of engine turning over and car just kept moving. Couldn't believe it. Even made my wife push while I let the clutch in, same thing.
Tried starter again and fired first time and been fine since - but can someone explain why I can't push start a Rover 416? Am I missing something, or just getting senile?
Mij

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 June 2005, 5:01 PM

Techno buff
Joined 13 May 2005
3 posts

Hi Mij
To engage the starter programme on ecu you need to flip the key as you pop the clutch, (turn the key as if you are starting the car normaly as you lift the clutch) this will fool the ecu into running the starting programme. Hope this helps

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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 June 2005, 8:31 PM

Mij
Joined 16 Jun 2005
5 posts

Thanks Techno
A useful tip that I will certainly try next time.
I am still baffled though. It's a standard manual transmission so I must be turning the engine over when in gear with the clutch engaged, and should feel the engine compression when pushing. The ECU only controls ignition and fuel doesn't it , not valve opening?

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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 June 2005, 8:53 AM

Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2457 posts

Hi. Are you sure you didn't put it into 4th by mistake ?

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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 June 2005, 10:55 PM

Mij
Joined 16 Jun 2005
5 posts

100% sure it was 2nd.
All I can think is that the gear was not really engaging even though it felt like it was, or maybe it dropped out as soon as the clutch was released. Might this perhaps happen if the starter pinion was jamming the engine?
Guess I now have to get the starter off and strip it down anyway. Any tips there?

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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 June 2005, 8:35 AM

Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2457 posts

Hi. Yes, just buy a new one, it is a lot easier than trying to strip your own one down, it is usually the solenoid that plays up, I don't know how easy these are to get hold of.

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rover 416 starting / running problem
3 August 2005, 11:48 AM

sopas
Joined 3 Aug 2005
1 posts

hi guys

i've had a problem with my 416 sli
it just doesn't start i try and try but nothing. the dealer has changed the speed sensor and the car after 15 days apperaerd to have the same problem
they have said something about the ecu but i don't no ???
Also if i start the car and it doesn't start, if i wait to the next morning it will start withno problem

Does anyone know what could be my problem???

Thanks

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rover 416 starting / running problem
8 September 2005, 6:45 PM

alib
Joined 8 Sep 2005
1 posts

i have a rover 416 estate 1997 cylinder head has been skimmed
on a few times and is overheating again
need some advice on what to do next
believe it or not i actually like the car and do not really want to
scrap it just yet!!!
body work is in excellent condition im still driving it around but daily on short journeys but sometimes needs a bump start to get it going. i think its probably water in the oil
is there any hope for it???

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