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rover 416 starting / running problem
7 December 2006, 4:37 PM
Matt
Joined 7 Dec 2006
12 posts

The revs only stick whilst I am in heavy traffic and are stopping and starting.

You mentioned an additive for the gear box? what sort of additive?? The primary Shaft bearing?? would this make a noise even if the clutch is pressed down because once the clutch is pressed down then there is no noise what so ever.

Thank you for getting back to me. I need to get it sorted other wise me dad will kill me.

Matt

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rover 416 starting / running problem
7 December 2006, 5:07 PM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi. When the engine is running the primary shaft is spinning, as soon as you depress the clutch it will stop spinning.
The additive I said about is just to quieten down noisy gearboxes, some work some don't. It is worth a try though.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
8 December 2006, 9:58 AM
-  Edited by Matt 8 December 2006, 10:01 AM
Matt
Joined 7 Dec 2006
12 posts

So if the Primary Shaft has gone then can I replace that without replacing the entire gearbox? sorry to be a pain in the back side.

Also do you know if you can fit Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Engine Fit in to a Rover 416 as the engine brackets seem to be in the same place?

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rover 416 starting / running problem
8 December 2006, 10:49 AM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi you need to remove and dismantle the gearbox to replace the shaft.
You can fit any engine in any car if you are willing to put the hours (and expertise) in.
Don't forget, it isn't just the engine, you need to uprate the brakes, suspension and chassis.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
10 December 2006, 7:44 PM
glassman
Joined 10 Dec 2006
1 posts

hi Matt

I had exactly the same problem with my Rover 414 until I took it to a garage who said the steper motor required replacing at a cost of £260 which I accepted !!! above and behold problem was still there. I kicked off and because the work was covered by warrenty they replaced the ECU unit £400 new free of charge. Since then it runs like a dream.

Eric

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rover 416 starting / running problem
14 December 2006, 9:37 PM
qprmark
Joined 14 Dec 2006
3 posts

hi guys
well i guess im not the only one with 416 sli, p reg 97 problems
it all started a few weeks ago, when i started it it got really sluggy for a few minutes then cleared when at a good running temp. then about a week ago i was driving down a duel carridge way when it lost power at about 60mph so i put my foot down to higher the revs it coughed and spluttered then seemed to clear the problem. then tonight 14/12/06 i went out to start it, all it does is turn over once then sounds like a machine gun! with it not kicking in at all. to be fair i dont drive it daily infact it might be 2 times a week if its lucky. does this sound like my fuel pump or ecu?
so if anyone can offer some help and advice before i kill my wallet i would really appreciate it!
cheers
mark
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rover 416 starting / running problem
15 December 2006, 8:46 AM
QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
513 posts

all it does is turn over once then sounds like a machine gun!

that sounds like a flat battery.

when its charged, give it a good run down a motorway and clear out those cobwebs!


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rover 416 starting / running problem
15 December 2006, 9:24 AM
MICK
Joined 22 Sep 2006
34 posts

Hi,
Had the same problem and it was as somone said, it was the earth lead had corroded and partially severed. make sure all contacts are clean and intact. this only takes up your time and not your money. ( WORTH CHECKING )
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rover 416 starting / running problem
15 December 2006, 4:16 PM
DJBARBER
Joined 29 Aug 2006
13 posts

Hello

wonder if someone could give a few pointers. Not long recently had head gasket done, at same time replaced stat, pump, rad, ht leads, dizzy cap and expansion cap. This week i have noticed that when it reaches 3000 rpm i loose power and feels like ignition has been switched off. I let of throttle and re-apply pressure and its fine till hit 3000 rpm again. My top speed is barely 60 at the mo. Something else i noticed is that my temp gauge hardly moves of cold even tho the heating system in car is hot. Is this related if not what should i be checking.

Many thanks
Darren

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rover 416 starting / running problem
15 December 2006, 7:24 PM
BrianM
Joined 11 Nov 2006
886 posts

Assuming you don`t have an air lock it is likely that the temp sender is faulty. Disconnect & reconnect to see if it is just the connection. If you don`t get a reading then replace it. if the ecu thinks the engine is cold then you are running rich & feathering the throttle will help.
Brian
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 December 2006, 2:35 AM
fiestapower
Joined 17 Dec 2006
4 posts

hi mate in response of your problem it the bottom pully for the cam belt as i had the same prob replace bottom pulley and cambelt it will run fine again
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 December 2006, 1:25 PM
Wilf
Joined 30 Dec 2006
4 posts

Hi,
We have a Rover 416 Tourer on a P plate, it has run fine until now. After driving for about 10-15minutes pressure builds up in the cooling system and ultimately pours out of the expansion tank, the temp guage does not change at this point it remains as it should but would begin to rise if I left the motor running. Suggestions have been - head gasket, faulty cap on expansion tank, water pump (bottom hose does not seem to get hot) thermostat stuck (can't find it, is it hidden somewhere obscure)

There is no tell tale sign of water in the oil or under the rocker filler cap car is running well, just need to stop and put in 2 litres of water every 20 miles.
Can anyone advise please of similar problems

Wilf

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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 December 2006, 2:18 PM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi. The thermostat is at the back of the engine directly behind the water pump.
It sounds like you could have an air lock, follow the thin hose from the top of the expansion tank to the engine, where it joins at the inlet manifold is a small metal pipe, this contains a small ball bearing which often sticks and causes problems.
It could still be the head gasket as there are not always obvious signs.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
31 December 2006, 10:57 AM
Wilf
Joined 30 Dec 2006
4 posts

Thanks for that Terrier Autos, I did what you said and disconnected the small pipe adjacent to the inlet manifold, I poked around with a small screwdriver could not locate the small ball bearing, is it inside the head if so how far in should it be ? By the way no water came out until I blew back up the pipe into the tank it then came back down the pipe but nothing out the engine is this because the thermostat is closed (engine cold)

Thanks once again
Wilf

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rover 416 starting / running problem
31 December 2006, 1:11 PM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi the ball bearing is in the manifold. it is best to remove the manifold and push the bearing through. if the ball is stuck it will prevent air escaping and cause an air lock irrespective of the thermostat opening or closing.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
11 January 2007, 1:54 PM
jharvo
Joined 11 Jan 2007
1 posts

Hi,
I have a Rover 416 SLi 1996 (not the honda engine). About a month ago it started cutting out while driving. Basically the car would be fine starting from cold and about 15mins into my commute to work the engine just shut down. This then happened a few times over subsequent days, particularily while crawling along in slow traffic (in and out of first gear etc.)

Anyway I booked it in for a service on the 22nd Dec 06. The mechanic replaced the alternator and gave the car a full service but didn't road test the car. The same problem manifested itself the following day, except this time thanks to the new alternator the car re-started no problem.

So back to the mechanic again, this time he held onto the car over 2 days and drove it himself. He said he identified the problem (a loose fuel pump valve sensor?). So I got the car back and drove it for another couple of days. Guess what? yep the original problem is back again. Yesterday it cut out on me while reversing and also while changing from 2nd gear to 3rd while moving along (the revs just drop to zero and the engine stalls).

So back to the mechanic again. He looked mystified this morning and said he doesn't know what the problem could be. He suggested that it might be the Idle Air Control valve. He's going to try and source one and fit it. I told him not to buy any parts before I know how much it's gonna cost, I'm beginning to think this problem may be terminal which is a shame because I like the car.

I don't know much about cars so can anybody help with suggestions as to what it could be that a mechanic wouldn't normally spot or be aware of?

btw. he's a good mechanic and came highly recommeded to me. I beleive he has been genuinely trying to fix the problem.

cheers,
JH

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rover 416 starting / running problem
11 January 2007, 2:42 PM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi. Most likely is the crank sensor, otherwise check the body earth connection near the battery or temperature sensor.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
12 January 2007, 10:07 PM
Wilf
Joined 30 Dec 2006
4 posts

Hi Terrier,
Things have moved on a bit since we last contacted, I replaced the expansion tank cap - solved the problem of losing water out the tank but have now noticed smaller water loss and tell-tale signs of white cream under rocker cover cap - head gasket for sure ? whats the cheapest remedy ?

Wilf

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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 January 2007, 9:17 AM
Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2449 posts

Hi. First thing is to check all the crankcase breather pipes are clear as this can give the same tell tale sign.
Take the car for a good run, with short or stop start journeys the engine may not warm up completely. Check oil is still clean and the same with the coolant. Check the water pump for leaks (not always apparent)
If it still appears to be the head gasket then get a second opinion and if necessary get it done immediately, putting it off increases the risk of doing more damage.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 January 2007, 12:38 PM
-  Edited by mark 18 January 2007, 12:51 PM
mark
Joined 13 Jan 2007
4 posts

A mate has had the same prob,you could drive the thing (very slowly though) but as soon as it got upto 2,000 revs it would literally bounce up the rd hence he had it corrected with new crank sensor and new ignition coil. totall bill £116.00

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