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rover 416 starting / running problem
29 April 2007, 7:18 PM
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dean
Joined 23 Apr 2007
7 posts
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oh by the way it will bump start everytime. if this means anything.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
29 April 2007, 7:26 PM
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r200
Joined 16 Jul 2005
1263 posts
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>>come back switch the car off then it wont start
Starter wont turn engine -or turns but wont fire up??
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rover 416 starting / running problem
29 April 2007, 10:08 PM
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dean
Joined 23 Apr 2007
7 posts
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it turns slowly as if battery is dead mate.sounds really lazy if you knoew wot i mean.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 7:46 AM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts
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Hi. Well if the battery is ok then it is either a bad earth connection or the starter motor doesn't work correctly when hot.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 10:47 AM
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BrianM
Joined 10 Jan 2004
281 posts
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You may well have had the battery tested but just to check the battery voltage is no good to you. It needs to be a drop voltage test by means of putting a load on it as if you are trying to start the car.
Try this when it gets dark enough to see the brightness of the headlights. With the headlights on crank the engine, do the headlights dim at all? If not at all & very little cranking then you have poor contacts or duff starter. If the lights go very dim then you either have duff battery, short circuit or duff starter.
Can you take the tops of the battery cells to check the fluid levels? If so do this carefully as acid burns. Check fluid levels & top up if needed. Best use as much protection as you can before doing this next check. When cranking look into the battery to see if one or more cells are boiling. If so then the battery is us.
With a volt meter attached to the battery while cranking what is the voltage sustained after 5 seconds.
A good fully charged battery will indicate about 9 volt & remain steady. Economy batteries may indicate 7 or 8 volts.
A good but discharged battery will indicate 9 volt then drop away to 3 volt & remain there.
A faulty cell will indicate 9 volt drop to 3 volt remain there or rise to 6 volt.
A shorted cell will indicate 0 volt & rise to about 6 volt.
Hope this helps.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 4:49 PM
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peterb
Joined 27 Mar 2007
12 posts
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hi brian had starter motor checked with auto electrician today its perfect my next step is to take the belt off the alternator and try to start this way then we are not taking any power from the starter motor to see if it starts this way i will let you know thanks for your replys much appreciated ill get this going if it kills me thanks brian
peterb
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 4:54 PM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts
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Hi. Removing the belt from the alternator will not make any difference, the alternator does not cut in until the engine is running.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 5:36 PM
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drifter
Joined 30 Apr 2007
61 posts
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>>had starter motor checked with auto electrician today its perfect
Did he take it apart, as if he didnt he was wasting your time and his
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 5:54 PM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts
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"Did he take it apart, as if he didnt he was wasting your time and his"
He may have carried out a current draw test which is a reasonable indication on the electrical system
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 April 2007, 8:38 PM
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BrianM
Joined 10 Jan 2004
281 posts
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Just a thought, how easy is it to turn over by hand. It is poss that you have a siezed pully bearing. Take the plugs out & see if you can turn the crank easily with a spanner on the crank front pully bolt.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
7 May 2007, 10:46 AM
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peterb
Joined 27 Mar 2007
12 posts
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hi there done everything possible got car running left it again wont start for love no money thinkin now to get engine from scrapyard do you know if a 216sli n reg engine is the same as the 416sli would the 216 fit
thanks peterb
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rover 416 starting / running problem
7 May 2007, 3:44 PM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts
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Hi. It is very unlikely that another engine will sort your problem unless yours is totally knackered.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
7 May 2007, 7:01 PM
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peterb
Joined 27 Mar 2007
12 posts
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thanks for your information, cant believe this car, has been running but every time i turn it off cant get it running again, spoke with a technition i know and he thinks it could be electrical because sometimes it runs, could it be fuel problem or injectors, your thoughts most appreciated
peterb, just extremely baffling never been caught out with getting cars started but this one beats me, starts when it wants to doesnt start when i want it to
HELP HELP OR IM GONNA TAKE A BIG HAMMER TO IT
PETERB
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rover 416 starting / running problem
26 May 2007, 9:01 PM
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dean
Joined 23 Apr 2007
7 posts
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Quick update. Changed the starter motor and so far so good. Thanks for all your replys it was very much appreciated.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
26 May 2007, 10:50 PM
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r200
Joined 16 Jul 2005
1263 posts
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>>He may have carried out a current draw test which is a reasonable indication on the electrical system
Doesnt tell you condition of motor internally though,so I would have stripped it to find out, as mentioned
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rover 416 starting / running problem
4 June 2007, 7:37 AM
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Jinkz
Joined 4 Jun 2007
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Hi all...found this place by accident but finiding it vy interesting already. I'm an expat living out in Israel and bought a 96 416Sli auto box with the Honda engine 8 years ago with 28k kilometers on the clock. The car's now done 108k and apart from a terrible problem with the laquer coming off the paintwork (metallic silver) caused by the sun, I've enjoyed the car a lot and it's never gave me any serious issues (touch wood)!! Mechanically it's been vy good considering and apart from the usual wear and tear it's not needed anything major done to it, but there's a couple of wee niggling things I wanted advice on if possible.
1. The car's fitted with the two button key fob to open central ,locking and disable immobiliser, alarm etc. If however I disconnect the battery for any reason, the alarm sounds and will not stop. Does anyone know of a way to stop this?
2. In the event that a fob fails on me, the price for a relacement here is around £80.00 which I think is nuts. The fob is a Lucas 3TXB Key. Anyone know where these can be bought for a reasonable price as Rover here say a generic fob won't work with my alarm.
3. Recently the car started idling slower than normal resulting in some vibration around the steering wheel and fascia. I took the car in anyway for a mini service to a local garage (not Rover) and asked him to check it, which he did and the he adjusted the accelorator cable, basically just tightening it to bring the revs up at idle to 850rpm. Now, this cured the vibration but I'm not sure all he's done is mask the original problem as now sometimes when I stop and put the gear in Park and let the car idle it'll settle at 1100 - 1200 for a minute or so before dropping down slowly to 850rpm. I've also noticed sometimes with the air con on, the idle dips / wavers a little and a few times it's dropped to around the 600rpm mark and spluttered and I've had to tap the accelerator to bring the revs back up.
Any ideas anyone??
Sorry for the long winded message!!
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 June 2007, 11:17 PM
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granderad mike
Joined 17 Jun 2007
2 posts
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Hi - just joined forum as i also have the strange "won't start again in 2 minutes" on my K rg (92/3) 416 gsi 1.6 (honda engine). Mostly this starts and runs fine (mostly because on a very hot day I have the main realy problem - solder joint thing to fix). however if i switch off after less than about 5 minutes running it wont re start. To day i had to take all the plugs out and re charge the battey - plugs didnt look fuel wet or flooded and there was a spark. Thiis is a pain as i often have to move the car to let another one out of the drive and I have to go round the town and back to warm her up or it will just not re start - otherwise all seems fine and runns very smooth - any ideas would be very welcome - Thank you
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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 June 2007, 7:54 AM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts
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Hi. This is very common with some fuel injected cars when they are started and only run for a few minutes. The only real fix is to make sure they reach correct running temperature before switching off. If it does flood you can try starting it with your foot to the floor or remove the fuel pump fuse and crank the engine until it clears.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 June 2007, 8:58 PM
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BrianM
Joined 10 Jan 2004
281 posts
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Jinkz, you say your alarm sounds if you disconnect the battery. Normally this only happens with after market alarms that have battery backup. With the car battery disconnected there is no power to sound the horn.
You could get a second had fob off ebay but it would need to be programmed. It is possible that your car is on the european frequency so one from the uk may not work. Some aftermarket alarms are able to learn your fob code.
Adjusting the tickover by adjusting the throttle cable is not the way to sort this. The ecu is now trying to adjust the tickover with false values. The throttle pot sensor should be set up correctly. Ensure your engine is serviced & check that there are no vacuume leaks. check all the sensors & check the ecu fault codes. Reset the ecu by disconnecting for half an hour. Now see how it runs. If no better then you should try a replacement ecu. You could get a second hand one with a replacement key fob for about £50-60 mail order. Or contact Quoman, look through the thread for his details or checkout http://www.ecuclinic.com
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rover 416 starting / running problem
19 June 2007, 0:17 AM
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johnny g
Joined 19 Jun 2007
1 posts
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if a main dealer tried to hike the bill like that with me, i would point out to them that as main dealers, they should know the correct means to diagnose the problem, not use the diy method of trying substitution until success! Sound like a bunch of w**kers to me! COWBOYS! These main dealers take the perverbial. They employ 'trained technicians', trained how to insert a cd in a laptop & read the manufacturers equielant of a haynes ! A propper fitter can look at a problem & get a 'feel',then use the diagnostics to finalise. modern 'training'...ugh!
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