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rover 416 starting / running problem
20 June 2007, 9:50 PM
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granderad mike
Joined 17 Jun 2007
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Thanks for that answer to the wont start in two minutes problem - two weeks ago it happened in town and I called the AA- The guy said it was "Bore Wash" and then proceeded to crank it over using his huge standby battery _ I though the starter would burn out, but it did fire up in the end - I dont understand why it should flood with fuel injection? is there a problem with the temerature sender or something making it too rich ? Anyway for now I stick to the advise and let it warm up, although fixing an easy to reach fuel cut of switch sounds like a good idea
PS does any body know exactly how to get at the main relay ? its not clear in the Haynes manual - clear in the wring diagram but not where its fitted.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
21 June 2007, 0:22 AM
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BrianM
Joined 10 Jan 2004
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you can switch the fuel pump off by tripping the cut out switch under the radio, so if it is flooded you should be able to start it quicker with no fuel being injected.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
21 June 2007, 8:47 PM
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Jinkz
Joined 4 Jun 2007
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Brian thanks for the reply and the info. Yeah I was told by one of the guys who worked in the Rover dealership here that buying a fob in Uk wouldn't work as the codes were different and that an aftermarket wouldn't work either, only an original. To be fair though now I have both fobs working so that's not an immediate issue. Regards the alarm, again my guy at Rover told me that when the cars arrived in Israel Rover fitted each car with an alarm and that the siren has small circular key to basically mute it if needed. needless to say I never got this key when I bought the car and no-one at Rover can remember them ever supplying extras, so no joy there. I'll live with sticking a cloth into the siren as I have been doing anytime I disconnect the battery.!!!
Regards the idling...I'm positive you know what you're talking about but how on earth do I check for vaccum leaks...my knowledge is pretty limited. How also do I check ecu fault codes? I couldn't even tell you where the ecu was mate, sorry.
This brings me to another issue which has just surfaced. A few times I've noticed that when driving on a main road say, at around 60mph the car seems to lose all response to the throttle and start to lose power. This has happened a few times now and has lasted anywhere from a few seconds to maybe 15 secs max, then suddenly power will pick back up and the car will start responding again to throttle. The last time it happened the "check engine" light came on, so I pulled over, stopped the car and on restrating the light went out at ignition as it's supposed to an so far (6 days later) hasn't came back on again. I'm wondering what could be causing the intermittent lack of power. Car has done 109k kilometers and has just been mini-serviced, plugs, oil, air cleaner cleaned of sand etc. Normally the car runs fine, never runs hot even with the a/c on and will (usually) sit at a steady 120Km/h on the motorway all day if needed.
Any thoughts??
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 June 2007, 10:53 AM
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BrianM
Joined 10 Jan 2004
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Hi Jinkz, I think I know the alarm you are talking about. They fitted a switch that we use on removable hard drives. Is the switch on the unit or in the car? You could remove the switch & fit a toggle switch somewhere hidden in the car, some call this a valet switch. So the alarm does not sound when the car is being worked on.
I just realised that you have the honda engine, This does not have an ecu so my advice is to get a replacement distributor asap!
The slowing down could be a faulty valve in the filler cap causing a vacume. The fuel pump packing up. Ignition coil. or other stuff inc. the ecu.
But my gut feeling is the electronic distributor.
As for vaccume leaks look at hoses around the inlet manifold & see if there are any cracks around where they fit onto the manifold & other end especially the distributor vacc advance unit.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
24 June 2007, 7:27 AM
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Jinkz
Joined 4 Jun 2007
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Thanks for the advice Brian. I've got the care booked in for a check tomorrow morning so obviously I'll tell them about the probs and see what they come back with. I'm always loathe to tell a mechanic "I think it's xxx or yyy" as I'm convinced they're going to come back later and say, "yes it was xxx but it's also yyy" and charge me extra, so I'll wait and see what they come back with. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the distributor as it's the original unit on the car. You say my engine doesn't have an ecu but according to the Haynes manual it does.!!!
The switch for the alarm is on the siren housing itself, at the back of the unit. I'll speak to the guy I know in parts at Rover tomorrow just to see if they do have any keys which will suit and if not I'll remove the switch and do as you say, hide it somewhere else.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
24 June 2007, 8:35 PM
 Edited by QUOMAN 24 June 2007, 8:42 PM
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QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
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just realised that you have the honda engine, This does not have an ecu
oh yes it does!!if its injection,it will have an ecu, its under the drivers seat and should have diagnostic lights on it too.
thanks for the recomendation too brian,much appreciated.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
24 June 2007, 9:27 PM
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Jinkz
Joined 4 Jun 2007
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Yeah I was pretty sure it had an ecu and yes the car does have injection, it's the SLI model, but I can tell you that the ecu is definetely not under the drivers seat unless it's either actually bolted onto the seat itself or under the carpet...is it??
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rover 416 starting / running problem
24 June 2007, 9:35 PM
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QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
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ha ha, nope! have you tried the passenger seat?
as i remember its quite a large ,but thin silver box, rectangular in shape
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rover 416 starting / running problem
25 June 2007, 7:16 PM
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Jinkz
Joined 4 Jun 2007
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It's actually under the carpet in the footwell, passenger side which would be driver's side UK.
Okay, been at Rover today and they worked on the car a few hours and they're sure they found the fault. For a while now I've had a small oil leak from the disty gasket. Nothing serious I thought and had it in mind to take care of it next full service which would be in another 3 months. Anyway, the oil sprayed onto a sensor which is attached to the gear box and somehow caused it to malfunction, at least that's what Rover told me. Technician cleaned the sensor, cleaned off the area of oil and replaced the disty gasket also. So far so good but I'm still wary.
Incidentally, I had them change the relay for the heater blower as number 1 wasn't working...worked out to be the equivalent of £50 quid, which I wasn't impressed about at all but I've noticed a marked difference in the blower performance, especially with the a/c on.
Oh and my jumpy idle was sorted by the same technician. He said it was just a case of disconnecting the ecu, sorting a fault code, setting the ignition and reconnecting the ecu. I might not have got that right word for word, forgive me as I need to translate his Hebrew explanations to English for you good chaps :-)
Total cost today came to around £100. It was higher but I complained and got a 20% discount. They make more than enough money anyway!!
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rover 416 starting / running problem
26 July 2007, 4:08 PM
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ted
Joined 27 Nov 2006
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my daughter has just bought a rover 200 s reg and it had no oil cap i have replaced that and the oil i ran it up and down the by pass and it ran fine now when i got on the estate and driving it was pulling between gears.The ht leads two and 3 didnt coincide with the numbers on the distributer cap.i swapped them and the car cut out and was shaking so changed them back.I have the firing order ,but where does it start from?top?
thanks ted
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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 August 2007, 1:42 PM
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graham9101986
Joined 13 Aug 2007
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hi.from the sound of it it could be a water temperature sensor. this is a common problem.if these are faulty it will confuse the ecu saying it is hot when it is not.If the sensor is faulty and reading hot alot of the time the car will put in less fuel then it needs and so loss of power. Changing the fuel filter probably made fuel passage to the engine easier and so more fuel was able to get to the engine.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 August 2007, 5:08 PM
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ted
Joined 27 Nov 2006
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graham thanks mate,will get it looked at ,ted
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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 September 2007, 0:44 AM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Hi
Did you get the problem with it started sorted as mine wont start either if I have driven a few miles. Popped into shop, came out and it wouldn't start!! Had new starter. Still does it.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 September 2007, 9:20 AM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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Hi. What does it "still do" ? It is helpful if you give a description of the problem .
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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 September 2007, 9:40 AM
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ted
Joined 27 Nov 2006
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no its just when changing gear ,it ticks over ok
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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 September 2007, 6:17 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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In reply to Terrier Autos, I have a 98 Rover 400 1600. If you try and start the car from cold, it starts no problem. But if you have driven a few miles and turned it off, it just will not start again until the engine has gone cold again. It doesn't even turn over very well, as though you were trying to start it with a duff battery. Tried another battery and changed starter. Still have the problem. Also checked the earths. Don't know what else to try apart from starter relay.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
16 September 2007, 8:00 PM
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ted
Joined 27 Nov 2006
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hi mate it pulls back when changing gear
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:41 AM
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TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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Hi. Smiffie, If the engine is turning over then it is unlikely to be the relay. It could be a bad earth, did you replace the starter with a recon or secondhand unit ? Have you tried with jump leads ?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:16 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Hi,
Starter may have been recon, i didn't fit it, but this is the third starter. Checked all earths, twice and haven't tried jump leads. Does jump start tho which I thought a bit strange and made me think that it had to be starter or something connected to it, but as I've said, this is the third one, surely i can't be that unlucky!!
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:59 PM
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QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
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sorry, but now im lost!
you DIDNT TRY jump leads, but it does jump start????
do you mean BUMP start?
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