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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:41 AM
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Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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Hi. Smiffie, If the engine is turning over then it is unlikely to be the relay. It could be a bad earth, did you replace the starter with a recon or secondhand unit ? Have you tried with jump leads ?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:16 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Hi,
Starter may have been recon, i didn't fit it, but this is the third starter. Checked all earths, twice and haven't tried jump leads. Does jump start tho which I thought a bit strange and made me think that it had to be starter or something connected to it, but as I've said, this is the third one, surely i can't be that unlucky!!
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 8:59 PM
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QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
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sorry, but now im lost!
you DIDNT TRY jump leads, but it does jump start????
do you mean BUMP start?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 9:34 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Sorry, meant bump start.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 9:51 PM
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QUOMAN
Joined 16 Mar 2006
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has anybody suggested to you to clean all your main earth points?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 10:14 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Already tried it! Twice!
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rover 416 starting / running problem
17 September 2007, 10:15 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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It has been suggested that the ECU is faulty. They said it sounds like the timing is out.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 September 2007, 8:25 AM
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Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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To check whether it is the timing kicking back, disconnect the coil and then turn the engine over for a short time to see if there is any difference.
Try some good quality jump leads with the negative one to your engine not the battery, this will show whether it is your cables / earths.
What oil are you using ?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
18 September 2007, 7:06 PM
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smiffie
Joined 16 Sep 2007
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Will give this a try, cheers
Don't know what oil as I didn't change it last. Curious tho, why?
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rover 416 starting / running problem
19 September 2007, 8:40 AM
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Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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I have had one where it had serious problems starting, although this was when it was cold, all it was in the end was that he had bought some cheap oil which was the wrong grade.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
21 September 2007, 6:48 PM
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simmo
Joined 21 Sep 2007
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Hi, I have recently bought a 416GSI as a runabout. It's a 1993 with 46k miles. Today the engine revs started to drop whilst driving, the tacho needle dropped like a stone before coming right back up again - in true kangaroo petrol style!The problem doesn't seem to present when the car is idling at nornal temp, only when it gets above around 2000rpm. I have checked the ECU in the footwell and there are no indications from the LED. I'm therefore thinking that it's not the distributor or any of the other sensors (as this would be indicated by a fault condition?) There has been some mention of resetting the ECU by disconnecting it; what's the best method of doing this - should I remove all fuses marked 'engine management'? Any clues gratefully received.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 September 2007, 10:27 AM
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Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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Hi. Just because there are no indications from the Ecu doesn't mean it isn't the distributor, with the tacho needle dropping like that it means there is a total loss of signal. try to get it to play up while stationary that way you can eliminate components.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 September 2007, 10:50 AM
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simmo
Joined 21 Sep 2007
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Thanks for that. But I'm guessing that without a scope it's going to be pretty difficult to isolate the problem from the distributor end. I've not ventured to look inside the dist yet, but is it possible to replace individual sensors or is it better to go for a complete swap out?At the moment I have the ECU disconnected in the vain hope that it might be a corruption that will erase itself, but I know that is a slim chance (but it's free!) Thoroughly depressed as I have only had the car a week (bought privately). Cheers.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 September 2007, 11:35 AM
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Julian
Joined 8 Feb 2005
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Hi. You can still check for a spark etc, I presume it has got a Honda engine, if this is the case then the distributor is a common fault.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 September 2007, 2:15 PM
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ted
Joined 27 Nov 2006
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ok mate thanks
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rover 416 starting / running problem
22 September 2007, 10:40 PM
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BrianM
Joined 11 Nov 2006
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If you cant get it to cut out by fiddling with connections to the coil then it is going to be the sensor within the distributor. You can get the parts but it is easier to get a second hand one from your local yard.
Let us know how you get on.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
30 September 2007, 10:35 PM
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simmo
Joined 21 Sep 2007
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I managed to source a brand new dizzy on ebay for £50, with all sensors, igniter and coil pack on board. Swapped out with the old one and the problem has gone. I suspect the igniter to be the culprit, but I was quoted about the same price for a new one as I paid for the whole dizzy assembly.Thanks for the pointers on the forum though. Best regards.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
8 October 2007, 6:43 PM
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seb1234
Joined 8 Oct 2007
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i mate my rover416 has just stopped starting ,ive checked the spark .i think it could be the fuel pump because theirs no fuel being pumped up to the main filter,whats the best pump to get for it? and how to do it?
cheers mate seb
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rover 416 starting / running problem
8 October 2007, 11:05 PM
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BrianM
Joined 11 Nov 2006
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Listen to see if the pump runs when you turn the ign on. You will have to wait another 20 secs before it will run again or it should run when the engine is being cranked. If not check that the fuel cut out has not been kicked. It is under the radio. Designed to cut the engine in the event of a crash it cuts the power to the fuel pump. Try pushing the button & see if it pops in. If ok check the earths & see if you have power at the pump. I assume you have fuel in the tank.
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rover 416 starting / running problem
9 October 2007, 4:34 PM
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seb1234
Joined 8 Oct 2007
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ok cheers mate,i,ll look for the fuel cut out,just under the radio you say?That sounds good becase i changed the radio the other day and its not started since. i shall let u know how i get on, cheers Seb
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