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rover 416 starting / running problem
12 February 2008, 5:31 PM
BrianM
Joined 11 Nov 2006
503 posts

yes thats right, should have written 'passenger compartment' the other one is in the 'engine compartment'
sorry for the confusion

rover 416 starting / running problem
12 February 2008, 5:41 PM
timmo
Joined 10 Feb 2008
6 posts

also which/where are the pump relays. do you know.

rover 416 starting / running problem
29 March 2008, 2:18 PM
Tony1
Joined 29 Mar 2008
15 posts

COOLING SYSTEM ROVER 214 I (Replacement Radiator fittted heater problems) - Circulation problems

Can anyone assist.
I have just bough a N reg Rover 214 i. (Petrol) high mileage from someone I know.

He has used it daily without any significant problems.

I noticed the radiator was leaking and got a second hand one.

My son and I fitted it. This is when problems started.

@@ Expansion chamber - Water coming back up through it from engine block.

@@ HEATER TEMPERATURE - Not reaching correct temp inside of vehicle#

BLEEDING THE SYSTEM
I visited a local garage mechanic there had a good knowledge on Rover engines. he informed me that when fitting a replacement radiator it was problem to difficulities to then bleed the system.

Can anyone advise how to bleed the system correctly please. The mechanic said that I would probably find a bleed nipple or screw on perhaps a hose. I have had a close look and cannot find anything like this.

Has anyone experienced this sort of problem before if so can you advise how I correctly bleed the system down and have the coolant circulating correctly.

The mechanic went on to say that the Rovers are notorious for cylinder head problems, if the engine is run without any water. I hope this is not the case. Even though the mileage is high the engine appears to be ok.


HIGH FUEL CONSUMPTION - ENGINE TICKING OVER TOO HIGH

Other problem I have is that the car seems to be using a lot of fuel. The rev counter even after the engine has been running for a while is at about 1100 rpms. (It was showing this even before radiator was fitted) but mpg seems to have gone down drastically. Can anyone advise regarding this.

I am told there are sensors in the Carb.

Thanks

@@ Heater - Not blowing hot enough temperature.







rover 416 starting / running problem
29 March 2008, 2:29 PM
TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts

Hi. Read through the previous posts regarding removal of the ball bearing and bleeding instructions, low water level and air locks can affect the fuel consumption as the sensors may think the engine is cold all the time.

rover 416 starting / running problem
29 March 2008, 5:53 PM
BrianM
Joined 11 Nov 2006
503 posts

Try bleading the heater by removing the top heater hose. With the engine running, you need to let the coolant run into the hose out of the heater until it is full to get rid of the air. Or fill the hose & heater with the top heater hose off. If the hoses become bloated & the coolant still gets pushed out of the filler then you may have a cracked head.


rover 416 starting / running problem
29 March 2008, 6:01 PM
Tony1
Joined 29 Mar 2008
15 posts

Thanks Brian,
Yes will try that when weather gets a bit drier and bit less windy.

My son is going to help me. for now heater appears a little warmer. I spoke to a mechanic who said it was likely to be an 'air lock' and heater matrix. He knew what he was talking about because he said that the engine had been designed to HEAT UP QUICKLY.

On another thread of one of the discussions, I noticed it said to take a ball bearing out of pipe from the one leading from expansion chamber to manifold. Having said that another member said dont take ball bearing out, he more or less backed up what mechanic had said that ball bearing was there to increase heat into vehicle and was one way flow, by taking ball bearing out this would allow two way flow, which would be counter productive.

Before I put replacement radiator on noticed there was what appeared to be 'back pressure' in expansion chamber resulting in loss of water, this has continued even with replacement radiator, was worried re cylinder head gasket, but engine seems to be running okay.

Will continue with your suggestion and see how I get on.

Thanks again
Tony

rover 416 starting / running problem
29 March 2008, 6:04 PM
Tony1
Joined 29 Mar 2008
15 posts

Thanks for that. This is also what the mechanic told me. He asked me to bring vehicle in re sensors and circulation. In view of what I paid for the car dont think I will be spending much on it. But it is the first time I have owned/driven a Rover series, and I am impressed with the vehicle.

rover 416 starting / running problem
30 March 2008, 2:06 PM
TERRIERS AUTOS
Joined 8 Feb 2005
2427 posts

Hi. Tony, I take the ball bearing out of all my customers cars as a matter of course, I feel it serves no purpose other than to stick and cause overheating problems. None of my customers have commented on heaters not working or the vehicle taking longer to warm up.
I think you will find that all engines are designed to reach optimum operating temperature to ensure engine durability and economy.

rover 416 starting / running problem
31 March 2008, 1:55 PM
Tony1
Joined 29 Mar 2008
15 posts

Thanks for that. I will try taking the ball bearing out. This car was bought as an alternative mode of transport because my other care a suzukki alto was having mechanical problems.

First time I have driven a Rover, model I have is the 416, I am impressed with it even with the cooling problems I have had. Radiator /cirulation problems seems to have settled down. I have got to say I am impressed with the handling and overall performance of vehicle, and for what I paid for it I have got a bargain.

I was going to sell it now I have my other car back on the road but I am thinking of keeping hold if it because I like the vehicle.

Was thinking in the future of getting a diesel model, any comments /suggestions re this and maybe what model to buy or steer clear of.

Thanks for previous advice
Tony

rover 416 starting / running problem
31 March 2008, 2:04 PM
Tony1
Joined 29 Mar 2008
15 posts

My vehicle is in fact a 214i not 416, but assume that problems are more or less the same

Thanks Tony

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rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 6:59 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

where is the crankshaft sensor on my nreg 416 lsi .....


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rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 7:12 PM
field
Joined 17 Jan 2008
8 posts

hi ya if im right i do believe your crankshaft sensor is on the back of the gearbox at the bottom , it looks like a little plug on the passenger side

rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 7:23 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

hi ,,, ty will have look tommorow ,,getting dark now and am tierd with sore hands (sympons of owning rover lol),,,,,,ty .....


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rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 7:41 PM
field
Joined 17 Jan 2008
8 posts

lol it cant be that bad ive had my 416 sli for about 7 years and had the thrust bearing go, head gasket go (2 days after getting the thrust bearing done) then 7 months after getting head gasket done gearbox collapsed just in the past 2 years but i love the car (no one understands we have a bond) well shes finally failed an mot because she needs abit of welding on the back arches, so i decided the kindest thingi could do was take her off the road and slowly get the bits and pieces needed doing to tidy her up and get another mot on her (just give her some love) but all is not lost because i went and bought another one exactly the same to replace her, so come be a proud rover owner and admit u really do love the car and its worth all the sore hands and tiredness :)

rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 9:38 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

yeah i agree they r great cars and i love her ,,, been workin on her for a year (as project) ,, had to replace braking system and fuel pipes as prev keeper had her on grass for 1 year,,, now replaced most ,,, everthing ,,,, getting there had her running almost great for 3 weeks,,, got 11 mot now (past with couple probs nothing major)...i aint giving up ,,,,1 the nephews gonna take me out the scrappys on sat ...still got few things to try... still i reckon mabey u got an angel,,, an i got a demon,,,,lol ,,,if it comes to it my wife says shes gonna get the local priest out to exorcise it ,,,lol


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rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 10:02 PM
field
Joined 17 Jan 2008
8 posts

where are you located ? and what bits you after cos i also have alot of parts in my 2 garden sheds as i got hold of another 416 a while back and stripped it for spares.. i also have a phone number for a place that deals with just rover new or used parts and they are very reasonable with their prices if ya want contact me at my email address [Log in to view email] and if ur near ur welcome to see if i have the bits u need and i will also give u the number and address for this rover supplys place as they only charge £5 delivery

rover 416 starting / running problem
10 April 2008, 10:43 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

ty ....ill give u shout at weekend if i start pulling faces,,lol ,,,,i reckon i gotta take back the dodgy coil first,,, then be prepped for a email lol ,,, ty ,,,thanks,,,,,


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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 April 2008, 6:57 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

good news ,,, got car running ,,,,amazingly well ,, in fact better than its ever run... my wife remembered me that its been a long project, 2
years been off road,(i do like my hobbys)
...anyway replaced every sensor on car and new dis, leads, rotor, relays, coil, earths, filters, and caps, just finished fitting new peco back box,,,,....car is running smooth ,,, recon as close as factory finish poss... and at end off day all the parts i fiitted came from scrappys a mishmash of mainly components from the last rovers off line..infact i think the cars looked like ex demo ,,prob been garaged somwhere...anyway cause i a wise scotsman ,,,, lol only cost me £20 to fix (price for the almost brand new coil)......ty for the help ,,,reackon cause been off road for while,,, that after getting the mot an me driving it ,,, things started to heat up an burn out ,,,... an prob when i put in th fuel .. it washed some crap into the engine ,,,,, i am thinking of selling it ,,£650 ,,,, but i think ill hold onto it for couple months ,, is a pleasure to drive ,,,,............ty guys




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rover 416 starting / running problem
13 April 2008, 7:05 PM
spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
112 posts

2weeks ago i was given a nearly mint rover 214 m reg,,,,yeahhhhh i got a new project ,,,,lol


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rover 416 starting / running problem
19 April 2008, 2:10 PM
madeley
Joined 19 Apr 2008
1 posts

Hi,

Have a 95 416 sli auto, went to start it yesterday, it fired then cut out and wouldn't start. I found the thread and have disconnected the battery and cleaned the earths. Checked the fuel was getting to the injector and spark present on first plug.

I managed to get it started today via a jump as I had ran down the battery. It kept just about satring then not, eventually I got it running. With a smell of petrol.

However it now has a strange idle problem will sit and rev itself from about 1000 to 1500 as if you were putting you foot down on the accelerator and letting it go immeadiately.

I dont have a haynes or anything for the car, I would be grateful for any advice suggestions, whether sensor or something. If you make a suggestion I would also be grateful if you could tell me where to find it on the engine as I don't know the car at all.

Thanks for taking the time to read it and respond ( if you can)

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