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talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 9:15 AM
-  Edited by stan 19 June 2008, 9:20 AM
stan
Joined 10 Jun 2008
10 posts

Hi all,

What's the easiest way to find TDC on these vans and is it easy to find ?

I've replaced rotor arm, dizzy cap, plugs & leads (dont get me started on plugs !!) now it wont start. Turns & nearly starts repeatedly.
I have probably moved the rotor arm out of sync with the firing order.

Is finding TDC the only way to get me back running ?

Have I mucked my timing up by doing this ? Will my timing need professionally (HA!) re-set ?

Thanks for your support. Really need to be up & running pronto.

(I've wasted loads of time faffing about with spark plug replacement, grrrrr.....)

Cheers,
Stan.

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 9:52 AM
wakaday
Joined 30 Mar 2008
86 posts

If you haven't removed the dizzy and you have electronic ignition then its probably something as simple as the leads on the wrong way around.
Its poss you could have the timing 180 degrees out. Try swapping leads number 1 and 4 around and 2 and 3. The firing order is 1342 but not sure if the dizzy spins clockwise or anti clockwise.

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 10:09 AM
Noggins
Joined 26 Jun 2005
3 posts

Hi the rotor arm can only fit in one place so you cannot get that bit wrong as other than that and the plugs you havent done anything - so forget about tdc its not an issue . So elimination says it must be either you have the firing order wrong or you have got a poor connection from the coil or to the plugs.
If in doubt take out no one plug ( and all the rest ) and put a long stick down the hole, take off distributor cap and see where the rotor arm is in relation to no one piston being at the top of its stroke. If you take out all the plugs and leave it out of gear you can then turn the engine round with a spanner on the pulley nut. Once you have established that you can move on to number two just to make sure you are right.

on the assumption (oh dear ) that you didnt change the plug leads just chech that you have the cap on the the right place i.e it can go on in two places 180 degrees out due to the lugs .

If it was running before you did a bit of mechanicing then it should still run.

regards Rog

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 12:43 PM
stan
Joined 10 Jun 2008
10 posts

Thanks for the advice folks. Just to clarify a few points.

It's an '85 van, so I dont think it's electronic ignition;

I marked the old diz cap and the new one in relation to one of teh clips then replaced the leads one by one as I was changing the plugs (which happened to take a number of days...so i could have went wrong there), the new diz cap was then replaced with the mark in the same place.

Where I think I've went wrong is when I fitted the new rotor arm, I twisted it and to my surprise it turned very easilly. I thought it wouldnt move because it was linked in some way to the engine (through either crankshaft, cam, etc) and the engine wasnt turning, so would have been fixed.
Is it as simple as the rotor arm not being fitted fully home / unseated ??

While I'm at it, what the heck's with the spark plugs ?
Deep set, long extension thingys, unviewable, set in a shaft that you can get a socket just into, but not quite back out again (easilly).

So (in hindsight) you have to:
1) unscrew the extension,
2) drop a socket in (with the rubber protective sleeve in place if applicable)
3) Get to teh socket with a ratchet and long enough extension bar
4) Get the plug out
5) Attach the extension to the new plug (loosely)
6) Drop it into the shaft
7) Start the thread with your fingers (thin fingers required !!)
8) Unscrew the extension
9) Drop a socket in (withOUT the rubber protective bit)
10) Get to teh socket with a ratchet and long enough extension bar
11) Tighten the plug as appropriate
12) Get the socket back out (if you've got teh sockets I have this is a task in itself - easier to get a teddy from a 50p crane-grab vending machine - an impossibility if you have the rubber bit in your socket)
13) Drop the extension back-in and tighten it up (using either your thin or, by now, bleeding fingers).

As an aside, are the black plastic protective tubes required as I cant get my new leads to fit with them in place ??

Cheers all,
Stan.

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 12:58 PM
mikey11000
Joined 22 Oct 2007
43 posts

good fun changing the plugs in it.i did mine took about 1-2hours.a real sod to get in or out. as for your starting it sounds like firing order.i did my friends after he changed his leads and was adament he hadnt messed it up.it ran but sounded like the hillbillys were coming.remember firing order is 1342 clockwise.i think 1 is nearest you as you look at the distributor.then number 1 plug is nearest distributor,hope this helps.if im wrong on the number 1 starting point i will be back on my computor at 2.30 and i can check for sure


talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 1:01 PM
mikey11000
Joined 22 Oct 2007
43 posts

forgot to mention,check rotor arm is the correct one as i know they list 2 for this model.if its to big and turning round you know why

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 1:30 PM
mikey11000
Joined 22 Oct 2007
43 posts

ok just checked autodata and i will try to explain as best i can. when you look at the distributor no1 is closest to you and to your right as you look at it. now no1 spark plug is furhtest to your right. so its 4321 from left to right. it is points that you have but they should be fine.also your ignition timing will be fine as you cant mess that up with out loosening the distributor. check your middle lead to the coil to make sure its on ok and you should be fine. imnot sure if you have 1.8 or 2.0l petrol but there both the same

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 2:22 PM
-  Edited by stan 19 June 2008, 2:46 PM
stan
Joined 10 Jun 2008
10 posts

Thanks for your help Mikey.

Regarding the rotor arm, the new one I bought did look different to the one I took off in design, but the effective shape and function didn't seem too different. I'll re-check it and also check the old one which I still have.
If it works with the old one I'll know where the problem lies.

Do all T/E engines have the black tubes down the spark plug channel and are they needed, do you know ?

I'll let you know hoew I get on.

Cheers,
Stan.

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 2:48 PM
John G
Joined 28 Nov 2006
20 posts

Hi your rotor arm should not be free to twist, if it is you probably haven't pushed it down far enough to engage the slot, the only other possibility is that the hole is too big allowing it to turn.
either way the rotor arm should lock in position.

John G

talbot express motorhome
19 June 2008, 4:55 PM
Den
Joined 3 Jun 2008
18 posts


Hi B.K. and other knowledgeable motor-homers. Have got prices for new tank but not "sender unit" - once again jargon foxes me. Have contacted PEUGEOT DEALER who does not recognise term "sender unit" but suggests "fuel gauge" - is this correct? It is pricey compared to tank( Thanks Usher) ? Really want to get this sorted and not order wrong parts - mechanic back from hols. 30th June. Seems we are stuck as various enquiries have shown ( what we already had sussed out) not many local garages have the facility to lift a 2 and a half ton, 18'ft long, 7' high van for repairs or M.O.T's ( Incidentally, has not failed M.O.T. but "emissions cannot be confirmed/checked" until tank is back on - seems odd to me.

Regards - Den


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talbot express motorhome
22 June 2008, 2:13 PM
s a green
Joined 22 Jun 2008
7 posts

Hello, we are looking for 2 x rear coil springs for our 1989 talbot express ~(motorhome-autoquest 270)
any ideas?

many thanks

talbot express motorhome
22 June 2008, 2:33 PM
chrisfreeman
Joined 11 Jun 2004
32 posts

Hi, do you mean leaf springs? My 1990 has just had an MOT advisory saying my leaf springs are weakened but not seriously so passed. I am now thinking about next years MOT though. I will be interested in members views, will assistors suffice or do I need new leafs, If the latter, where can I buy them, Thanks, Chris.

talbot express motorhome
22 June 2008, 3:28 PM
-  Edited by s a green 22 June 2008, 4:25 PM
s a green
Joined 22 Jun 2008
7 posts

on the MOT failure papers 'rear coil spring' is the phrase that's used..

have emailed a few salvage places, will post here if have any results!

many thanks
16.25pm right just checked, definately (offside and nearside) rear coil springs not leaf springs...

talbot express motorhome
22 June 2008, 6:04 PM
evangel
Joined 31 Aug 2007
27 posts

I thought all Expresses had rear leaf springs and "Rear coil springs" as optional spring assisters. One of mine was broken at last MOT but the tester said that they were not part of the MOT as the leaf springs support the vehicle and the assisters are not an integral part of the suspension in that they are an add-on ride adjuster. I suspect that for this argument to hold good, the leaf springs need to be in good order and not relying on the assisters to correct deficiencies.

If that is the case, the MOT should not have failed on the coil springs. Not all MOT testers are conversant with Motor Caravan conversions. Some even try to test under 3050kg motorhomes as goods vehicles even though the chart clearly shows them as class IV.

Duncan

talbot express motorhome
22 June 2008, 7:39 PM
s a green
Joined 22 Jun 2008
7 posts

oooh...ok...do you think we should go and have the MOT re-done at a motorhome specialist?...do you know any in the manchester area?..
..or maybe we should go bachk to the garage and ask him to check the leaf springs are ok...what do you think?
btw thankyou for your help!

sa green


talbot express motorhome
23 June 2008, 11:08 AM
B K
Joined 26 Jun 2006
45 posts

Hi Den. I've never had one of these off so dont know for sure but the sender unit is generally only to give you your fuel gauge reading. If your fuel gauge is not giving faulty readings it doesn't need changing. just get it thoroughly cleaned and replaced in the new tank. however sometimes the inlet and outlet pipes are mounted in the same body as the sender unit in which case it would probably be best to change it, however again it should be perfectly possible to clean the pipes through with a soaking in solvent cleaner followed by a compressed air blow through. Probably somebody more knowledgeable like rich or delfin can confirm or otherwise.

For the person with leaf spring issues, I replaced both rear springs last winter with new ones from Jones springs in Birmingham. found them through google. They will supply replacement standard springs or springs with an extra leaf.
Huge difference to the handling of the van now. Service from Jones was slow, waited about 6 weeks for the springs against a quote of 10 days, otherwise goods OK. Total cost for springs, bushes and new U bolts, about £ 400.
Hell of a job to do yourself and would probably prove costly at a garage due to rusted nuts etc.
Another firm called rossendale springs ( i think) had standard springs available as a stock item, but were more costly.

Kind regards
B.K.

talbot express motorhome
23 June 2008, 11:26 AM
s a green
Joined 22 Jun 2008
7 posts


many thanks bk, good to know there are suppliers out there!

talbot express motorhome
23 June 2008, 1:17 PM
warbird
Joined 3 Mar 2008
18 posts

I have a set of Grayson spring assisters fitted to my van, they were a breeze to fit, and I think the fitting of the whole kit took me around an hour! **With the right tools & conditions** they have transformed the handling of the van. I would not worry too much about the existing leaf springs, as long as there are no cracks in them, I would however, give them a good coat of either duck oil or some similar type of lubricant (NOT WD40 as this is not a lasting lubricant!) with the back of the van now just a little over standard ride height it has also made the steering lighter due to the castor angle being altered at the front.
Incidentally, I found the plate for the rear brake/weight compensator made NO difference which ever position it was mounted on! Probably due to the weight of the van at the back being much higher than a standard empty van!

talbot express motorhome
23 June 2008, 1:25 PM
-  Edited by warbird 23 June 2008, 1:29 PM
warbird
Joined 3 Mar 2008
18 posts

To SA Green.........
You may be thinking that what you are looking at are bars rather than leaf springs as you may be looking at a 'single' leaf this will be fixed one end to the chassis then the other end is mounted in a shackle to allow movement when going over bumps.The coil springs you say are there maybe are a spring assister kit that has already been mounted on your van.
Just to add
The Grayson engineering kit was around £160 & money well spent!
Hope this helps.............

talbot express motorhome
23 June 2008, 1:33 PM
s a green
Joined 22 Jun 2008
7 posts

thanks, warbird, I have since yesterday found a several suppliers/quotes
many thanks for your information. at the moment dh and me on very steep learning curve, so very grateful to hear other people's experiences!

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