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talbot express motorhome
4 October 2009, 4:39 PM
richard
Joined 12 Dec 2008
38 posts

heating these vehicles during winter use what about extending you heater hoses & putting a couple of radiaters in the back with two shut off valves so you can isolate in the summer but you need extra antifreeze. dont forget if you drive in cold weather you water tanks underneath the van can freeze & crack. drain them & carry water inside
rich

talbot express motorhome
6 October 2009, 6:08 PM
white28
Joined 16 Aug 2009
44 posts

hi maperi
thanks for the reply as to your holes in window screen panel i have had the window screen out to repair some rust around the bottom and top of the screen there were no holes other than the one i repaiered window back in and all sealed good its just warm but not hot dont understand it i have thought of havin a little gas heater in the back to keep it warm when im drivin

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 9:52 AM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

Hi White28, I drive with my heater on in the back, mentioned this on here and got lots of "what if" scenarios from a few people, but still do it. They mentioned the crash situation, but to be honest if I was to worry about all the sources of ignition in a crash - and as my van is diesel it won't blow up, people would not be allowed to smoke whilst driving.
It is better to be warm and functioning 100% than suffering from hypothermia. The heaters in the diesel van do not get very hot because they were designed to just heat the front compartment. If you want warm air around your feet, you need to select it AND make sure that all the vents on the panel for directing air at your face are off, otherwise you only get a trickle out the bottom. Incidentally there is a diesel powered "night heater" which is retro fitted into police vans etc and designed to heat the rear area whilst driving, or parked up on surveilance.
Bob

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 4:29 PM
layla's dad
Joined 22 Apr 2008
63 posts

to all
regarding heater on in back if it runs on lpg
DONT HAVE IT ON OR ANY GAS SUPPLY PLEASE TURN IT OFf AT THE CYLINDER
have you ever seen a fire or a ruptured calor bottle it might be me you run into the back of or i could be the otherside of the motorway when you go up and me and my daughter will go up too plus about 50 others (there must be a vid of this on you tube etc ) you will be amazed how big the fire ball/explosion is.
just sort out the heater .
trust me you won't get out alive if the bottle,cylinder is open and it is adding risk .
sorry to go on
enjoy your van
mick

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 4:35 PM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

See white24, this is exactly the type of reply I got last time, Laylas dad, if you have your gas on, the output coming into the van is coming out of the regulator, if you put a match to this you would get a pretty flame, not an explosion, too many films sfx me thinks


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 4:44 PM
Retired626
Joined 13 Jan 2006
27 posts

Thanet04,

I think you are missing the point, in the event of an accident, a gas bottle turned on will be releasing gas into the surrounding area with the obvious consequences to all involved including rescue services !!

KH


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 4:51 PM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

Retired 626 I think you have missed the point, what do lpg cars run on? The rescue services deal with petrol, diesel (a nightmare on roads) LPG, AVTUR, AVGAS, HAZCHEMs etc etc, do you not think that perhaps I might have some knowledge and background into this matter?
Regards

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:11 PM
layla's dad
Joined 22 Apr 2008
63 posts

thanet 04
look think about it if the cylinder is on gas can come out of the fitting at the regulator is before the gas can be controlled so there is a problem just one to start hjust cut out the risk .
i am a welder and have attended many courses run by firms such as boc air product etc for veriuos types of gas / and situations that can accure .trust me you only need few things in the avent of a simple fault to accure at the same time and thatd our the thing turns into a major problem lpg is heavier that air so is going to end up on the road or near a source of heat spark flame or another fuel in a rta so be on the safe side you will get away with it 1000's of times but when it goes wrong is GOOD NIGHT VIENNA!
also an accicent investigation will know what caused the fault think of the implactions to yourself and others
mick

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:21 PM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

Hi Layla's dad, as a welder you will know the risks that compressed air causes, many a tyre fitter and welder has been killed by tyres exploding. We still fit them to our vehicles despite the risk. Yes LPG is heavier than air, which is why it is a problem with boats as it can collect in the engine room. In our campers we have vents in the floor to allow it to disperse. in the free air it disapates quickly, although can fill drains, but is less of a problem in the clean-up effort directly after an accident, or later than spilt petroleum or fuel oil.

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:31 PM
spitfire1970
Joined 18 Aug 2008
89 posts


Thanet04

It is you I'm afraid who needs to revisit your investigations. Driving along with either a butane or propane cylinder turned on let alone with something running is an incredibly stupid thing to do. Layla's dad is quite right about weights.
Talk to a fire officer about it! You are not only endangering yourselves but many other road users too.

These vans are OLD. What do people expect? Wear warm clothes when winter driving and my wife and daughter put blankets over their knees - problem solved.

If you want a van that's heater is perfect I suggest you get rid of your 20 old or so can and splash out 30k + on a new one.

Always think safety first and minimise the risk. If not for youself then for others.


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talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:34 PM
evangel
Joined 31 Aug 2007
48 posts

retired626 and Layla's Dad.

A gas powered vehicle is just as likely to suffer a pipe fracture in an RTC. The spilling gas would be at full pressure from liquid take off. At least any spill from a domestic supply would be more likely to be at a lower pressure and less concentrated.

Some motorhome lpg heaters are specifically designed to be run whilst on the move.


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:35 PM
spitfire1970
Joined 18 Aug 2008
89 posts


Thanet04

Also do some research on ignition temperatures of various gases and fuels.
I need say no more


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talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 5:47 PM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

Spitfire, very emotive, but too many movies. the vaporising and temperature that something burns has very little to do with its explosability. dry powders if compressed will ignite or explode, try fertilizer/sugar mixtures. Vehicles run on a variety of substances. all have dangers, LPG is in hybrid vehicles, along with lead/acid combinations. If you and your family are happy driving in a cold vehicle, I won't say that your blankets and gloves are a danger to the smooth operation of the controls, or a fire risk if people smoke in the vehicle. When I travel to Spain for Christmas i will turn off my gas at the bottle before boarding the ferry, and back on once in france. I will relight my heater and spend the next two days warm and cosy on my way to Barcelona, not shivering because i cannot afford to buy a new van (whose cost in the manufacture in greenhouse gasses exceed any made in the lifetime of operating the vehicle).

talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 6:06 PM
spitfire1970
Joined 18 Aug 2008
89 posts

Thanet04

I don't understand you're issues here. Too many movies? You need to watch some news articles and talk to a fire officer. It's about taking the risk...and as for suggesting that I drive along with a blanket over me, well please!
There is now such thing as bad weather - only wrong clothes...


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talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 6:34 PM
thanet04
Joined 25 Nov 2008
31 posts

Spitfire, if you read your pevious posts today, you are the one who mentioned driving with blankets, and also you ended a post by saying "I need say no more" but you did.
Said with humour
Bob
I wonder if I was to do a post on using the vehicle for "dogging" I would get as many replies!


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 6:38 PM
SteveJ
Joined 10 Jan 2008
251 posts

Not wishing to "fan the flames' (!) of this discussion but just a quickie regarding LPG Powered vehicles in an accident .....

These systems are built to be very safe. There are electronically contolled solenoids on: the Tank itself, the main shut of solenoid on a secure bulkhead at the rear of the engine bay, and on the vaporiser. NONE of these will open unless they recieve a signal from the controller switch, which will not send a signal unless it gets a regular pulse from the ignition coil. Therefore unless the engine is running all soleniods are shut and no liquid or vapour will escape (there is a timed (2-4 second) override when the ignition is first turned on to allow the vehicle to start).

The LPG tanks them selves are incredibly strong, considerably more so than a petrol tank, and when installed according to LPGA regulations should withstand a staggering 30g accelleration. In an accident I have absolutely no concerns over the fixed LPG tank, but much more so the thin petrol tank.

I realise this has little to do with driving about with the portable gas bottle turned on (and I don't want to go there !) but the discussion strayed into LPG powered vehicles so I thought it worth mentioning their inherent safety features.

Best wishes, Steve :)


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 7:10 PM
evangel
Joined 31 Aug 2007
48 posts

Steve:

As you say, LPG vehicle systems are incredibly safe. The comment that caused them to be brought into the gas bottle debate was a theoretical escape of unregulated gas. Due to the built in safety of a gas bottle this would require the regulator to be snapped off. Given the collar attached to a portable gas bottle, this would require the same sort of force that would have to be applied to a fixed tank.

Others:

Some correspondents have suggested that a vehicle fire involving regulated low pressure vapourised gas will explode an open gas bottle. I can find no documented evidence of this. I attended a fire that completely burned out a camper on the road, all the fuel burned. All that was left was the metal shell of the vehicle and a gas bottle still emitting gas when the Fire Officer turned it off!

Of course it is safer to turn off the supply when travelling but, given that the installation is itself inherently safe (and checked regularly for safety integrity) the risk is small.

The biggest risk in any vehicle is the "loose nut" turning the steering wheel :-))


talbot express motorhome
7 October 2009, 7:47 PM
white28
Joined 16 Aug 2009
44 posts

hi to all

i have been going into the comments that have been put on here regarding the heater i think the best thing is to have fitted a deisel powered one not to sure how this will work but i will look into it its just to have warm air in the back then her in doors dont keep on lol there was something i had seen on ebay were you buy this adapter that you connect to the battery and than you but this blow air heater and you can plug it in as you drive

but let me just say to everyone that put there thoughts on here about the heater many thanks


talbot express motorhome
8 October 2009, 0:08 AM
drbob
Joined 8 Mar 2006
198 posts

White28, is your engine getting hot enough? have you replaced the thermostat? The heater matrix can be cleared of dust and debris after removing the four bolts which hold on the air collecting box under the bonnet and then blowing out the air way with compressed air. If the heater is still under par the cheapest way to heat the habitation is to fit another cooling system driven heater in the back of the van (as fitted to mini buses and an option on ducato 12 seater.) I had such a heater piped in parallel from the original using T pieces the long tubes being lagged with domestic insulation. I used a recirculating heater from a scrap yard such a system takes even longer to reach temperature but is adequate when warm. The diesel heater mentioned cost several hundred pounds( recently reported £1000 fitted) they do work very well. I would double check the point made regarding holes in the skuttle you will not see the place except by removing the R/H high level air vent and peering to the right beneath the screen. Regards, Alan

talbot express motorhome
8 October 2009, 4:33 PM
mgplumb
Joined 8 Oct 2009
1 posts

hello hope your all fine
i am looking for a pair of seat belt recievers , side(kitchen window) pannel ,glass for the oven door . water butt , and blinds.
does anyone know where i can find them please

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