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Worcester 240 - no hot water
2 April 2008, 10:39 AM
boilers are a pain in the arsenal!
Joined 2 Apr 2008
2 posts

does anyone know were the reset switch is?

Worcester 240 - no hot water
3 April 2008, 10:24 PM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

Help!!! - Worcester 240.

Ok, original fault was water related, tepid water and intermittently cold water. So I bit the bullet and replaced the diverter valve completely as I had done the diagpragm six months previously. I deduced it would be the valve itself which was the problem. Got a nice cheap valve from BES, and proceeded to fit. anyway, after fitting every thing seemed to be ok, but I had a slight leak on one on the nuts, so I powered off again, drained down again and fixed the leak. - i may add I got a bit of banging and popping from the heating, but just assumed this was moving air locks around.
Anyway, fixed my leak, and put it all back together...and nothing!

when I ask for water, no demand light comes on, and heating does not fire up the bolier either . The "reset" button was out, so i pressed this in again thinking this would sort it.. but no.

Now the micro switches are firing OK, and the power is on, and I do get "noises" when I ask for either CH or DHW, but no clicking of the ignitor to fire up the gas!

So have I missed anything... bled heat exchanger, bled pump.. I did get a lot of dripping with my leak, but I am sure the circuit boards stayed dry...I am stuck.. have i dislodged something?

what else can i check next..also does anyone have a link or can email me a manual?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:39 AM
Marc
Joined 4 Apr 2008
5 posts

Great thread. Isn't google and the internet great?!

Right, I've just read through all eight pages and whilst my problem is a similar one to many described in it, it isn't quite the same, so I was hoping someone could help me diagnose it...

We have a Worcester 240 and yesterday the shower stopped getting hot water, but it appeared the bath and sinks were all fine.

Upon further investigation it appears the boiler only switches on to supply hot water to the taps if you run the water really fast and the shower never quite gets the hot going fast enough to do it.

So whilst we have hot water, we have to run the taps at stupid speeds and I can't shower.

Is this going to be related to the diverter valve/diaphram ?

Cheers
Marc

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:41 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

yes it is... get one from BES.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:48 AM
Marc
Joined 4 Apr 2008
5 posts


That was quick! Thanks.

So do you think I need the whole valve?

BES site says (http://www.bes.co.uk/products/114.asp):

"Diverter valves for named combi boilers, listed below. Supplied with two single pole double throw micro switches (10 A) and washers. Five washers for the connections are supplied."

Is that everything I need to do the job?


Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:52 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

it certainly is. 33 quid from BES. However dont do what I did and cock it up! Be sure you drain down first and take the side cover off for easier access....be sure to use the new fibre washers supplied.

You either have a perished diagpragm or a stick valve, the complete assy will take care of it. If only someon ewas on to help with my problem!!

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:56 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Short answer Mark is yes, if the boiler fires up each time. Its either the diaphragm or the whole valve. I've found that it was the whole valve for me. Just as a pointer, if you change it, make sure everything else is assmbled and bled correctly afterwards. A common mistake is introducing further faults when trying to resolve another and mis-diagnosing that it therfore was not the original part at fault you changed.

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 9:57 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

What do you do if you cannot remove the side panel???

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:01 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

you can still get in, its just more fiddly. The front of the diverter valve comes off with two small allen screws top and bottom this gives access to the 3 rear connections.

boo hoo...no-one help me with my fault...I am gonna have to go and trouble shoot some more...after bit of tinternet work...I am going to look at the air pressure switch.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:05 AM
-  Edited by ray 4 April 2008, 10:14 AM
ray
Joined 7 Dec 2006
24 posts

Ali
try bleeding from the pump.
Did you also bleed the heat exchanger? Rads etc
Mine didnt work and made a ton of noise until i first bled the heat exchanger until water came out.
Then undid the screw on the pump while heating was on, until water came out.
Noise stopped as all air was out and works a treat.

Ray

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Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:05 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Ali, is yours still not working correctly then?

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:07 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Absolutely correct, that is exactly what I posted about introducing further problems after fitting the valve, etc.

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:08 AM
Marc
Joined 4 Apr 2008
5 posts


The boiler fires up if the water is fast enough.

Is there a manual online for the 240, I haven't found one yet?

When you say bleed the system, do you mean radiators or the boiler? Is it obvious how to bleed the boiler?

I have a friend who starts training as a British Gas service engineer at the end of the month (poor timing!). I'll get him to read the thread and see if he wants a bit of practise... ;)

Thanks for the tips...




Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:10 AM
-  Edited by ray 4 April 2008, 10:13 AM
ray
Joined 7 Dec 2006
24 posts

as i said before.
bleed all rads. Make sure pressure is still good when doing so.
bleed the heat exchanger (small tap on lower right side)
bleed pump (screw in middle)
Check pressure.
Re-check all rads.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:11 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

Thanks for response,

Ok, I bled the pump, and I bled the white heat exchanger... however my Demand light does not come on, and you dont get the clicking of the ignitor. This is same for DHW and CH. My reset button popped out when I got the banging, I pressed this back in again, but alas no joy. I must have dislodged something becuase any air lock related fault would not stop the thing starting up, it would just make it oiverheat and shut down very quickly.

I did have a leak problem when I first replaced the Diverter valve, But I am sure the pcbs never got wet.



Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:14 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

There is a micro switch on the divertor valve and this needs to be engaged when the taps are opened. Basically, teh pressure drop forces a plunger out of the valve and 'Makes' the micro switch. If teh plunger is not extended enough, even when you turn the taps on fully, then the diaphragm or valve could be damaged or not operating correctly. You could try repairing the diaphragm to see if it is that, and then replace with new once you ahve confirmed the problem, if not change the valve.

As for bleeding. Bleed the expansion tank in the bolier, this is a tyre valve (sort of) on the tank itself and just press the centre in and release the air (if any) until it stops. And also bleed the pump, this is a silver screw on the front, open it a little until you see water drip from it and the it is bled. Also, check what speed the pump is at, it has 3 settings and sometimes the correct flow of water and pressure can stop circulation and give some false or inadequate pressure to the valve/system.

Hope this helps.

Alan.


Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:17 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Ali, yes it would. The air heats up quicker than the water and falsely triggers the thermo couple to trip the stop. Does the demand light and the boiler fire up when you manually press the micro switches in??

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:17 AM
ray
Joined 7 Dec 2006
24 posts

As Al said
it may be the micro switch.
Make sure the plunger on the end is still on, you can test the boiler by pressing in both switches manually.
Ray

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:20 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

Al, thanks for reply,

but my problem is more basic than that. I get the problem on CH as well as DHW, so its not the microswitches as these are only for DHW.

i have just put a brand new valve in. I first put it in, gots lots of knocking when i powered up and a small leak. hence I drained down again, fixed the leak, and now the dammed thing wont fire up. My reset button had popped up, so i pressed this down again, but it still doesnt fire up. It cant be an airlock/bleed problem as these only become apparent after you start the boiler up.

DOH!

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:24 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

Chaps, thanks for help and sympathy... I can confirm I have manually pressed the microswitches and no joy.

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