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Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:26 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Yeah, but like I say. I had air leaks and the air heated up and triggered the system, its is academic if it is the HW or CH as its the boiler that is tripping yeah?

Be sure all the air is out the system including all rads, pump, heat exchanger and then mechanically you are sound. If the boiler starts up with HW water at some point, then atleast you know it is not the functionality of the bolier, it is the control of when the boiler is in demand. This is a little trickier (Electrics) and could be circuit board related, etc. My advice would be to make the system sound first and be sure it is, then move on to the more complicated/expensive bits.

Alan

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:26 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

What? The bolier doesn't fire up?

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:39 AM
Marc
Joined 4 Apr 2008
5 posts


Thanks guys. Parts ordered.

Hopefully I'll return with news of success rather than more questions!

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:42 AM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

yep..correct. it does not start up at all. no ignitor clicking, no demand light. I get noises, which I think are the extractor fan and the pump but no gas firing up!

i will bleed everything again...and start again...I read about the air pressure switch can stop it firing up so that may be my next port of call...problem is bolier is 2 miles away..and I have no tinternet there... i am about to go and try everything again!

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:53 AM
Marc
Joined 4 Apr 2008
5 posts


Any ideas how quick BES are to deliver?


Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:58 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Trace back from the micro swithces. If you press these and still nothing, then check the switch itself. Somehow try and get power to the PCB and if still the boiler doesn't fire, the it could be the PCB and then it could be the gas valve itself. Basically, you need to keep tracing back, difficult I know, but if you can check connections, PCB's with a voltmeter, etc, it will be worth it.

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 10:59 AM
Al
Joined 30 Jul 2007
30 posts

Couple of days I found.

Alan.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 3:19 PM
Jon
Joined 31 Mar 2008
2 posts

Thanks all. Hot water is back. Simply replaced the diaphragm.... it was really goosed. If anyone is thinking of giving it a go then definitely do.

The only other thing I had to replace was the telescopic joint between the diverter valve and the expansion tank. Cost about a tenner. I actually am starting to sound like I know waht I am talking about! Haven't got a clue.
Just shows how good this forum is.
Thanks again.
Jon


Worcester 240 - no hot water
4 April 2008, 3:23 PM
ray
Joined 7 Dec 2006
24 posts

No need to replace the telescopic expansion joint. Get a pack of rubber O rings from B&Q cost about a quid. The smallest one fits just perfect on the joint after cutting off the old one.
Always replace this O Ring when you change the diverter valve or Diaphragm or you will get leaks after refilling, saves you having to do it twice for the sake of a quid.

Ray

Worcester 240 - no hot water
5 April 2008, 5:47 PM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

Hello chaps,

I resorted to getting an expert in. Sods law was the failure was unrelated to my efforts with the diverter valve. I had a stuck solenoid in the gas valve. So I would never have been able to trouibleshoot down to that. To be fair the repair guy was very thorough and didnt belittle my DIY efforts. Only charged me 75 quid...so all in all not too bad.

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Worcester 240 - no hot water
18 April 2008, 12:34 PM
H
Joined 18 Apr 2008
2 posts

I have just moved into a propoerty with a Worcester 240 boiler and a thermostatic shower. The shower only gets hot if the heating is on. I have replaced the diapraghm and checked the micro switches close and they do when any other hot tap is switched on but not if the shower is switched on. I suspect that the thermostatic element of the shower is scaled up or otherwise obstructed such that the flow through the diverter valve when the shower is turned on is insuficient to move the diapraghm enough to operate the micro switches. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Another thought is that the cold water pressure to the shower mixer is seriously higher than the hot water flow - could this be "inhibiting" the hot water flow so that it isn't picked up by the diverter valve? Any suggestions gratefully received.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
18 April 2008, 12:53 PM
-  Edited by ray 18 April 2008, 1:57 PM
ray
Joined 7 Dec 2006
24 posts



Worcester 240 - no hot water
18 April 2008, 1:52 PM
H
Joined 18 Apr 2008
2 posts

Ray
My shower is already a thermostatic mixer shower not an electric shower.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
18 April 2008, 2:42 PM
Ali
Joined 4 Jan 2006
18 posts

H,

If other hot taps operate the diverter valve and the shower doesnt, it sounds like flow rate is the problem. does the plunger in the valve move at all when the shower is on?

I would first look at the mixer...as you say the thermostat in the valve may not be letting any water through at all from the hot supply.

good luck.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
22 April 2008, 11:22 AM
diagnostic engineer
Joined 22 Apr 2008
1 posts

sounds like either high limit stat, or thermistors.


Worcester 240 - no hot water
2 May 2008, 10:12 PM
froggy
Joined 2 May 2008
2 posts

Hi all,

Brilliant thread, loads of good info:-) Just wanted to double check that the leak I have on my boiler is due to either a faulty diaphram or diverter valve...

The leak is coming from the back of the diverter valve - in between the front part of the valve and the back part of the valve (the bits that are held together with an allen key bolt on the top and the bottom) there is a 2-3 mm gap, on the underside of this gap there is a ~2mm hole which is where the leak is coming from. Will replacing the diaphram fix this leak, or will the whole valve need replacing? Should there be an o-ring in between the front and back sections of the divertor valve (where the 2-3 mm gap is)?

The spindle is moving in and out fine and is activating the microswitch ok, so I guess the diaphram/valve isn't completely knackered. The leak is only a few drops and happens every time the hot water tap is turned on, not with central heating.

Cheers in advance for any help :-)

Dave.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
31 May 2008, 10:22 AM
andre pace
Joined 31 May 2008
1 posts

i,m having the same problem , any idea,s to solve this.cheers andre.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
1 June 2008, 12:58 PM
froggy
Joined 2 May 2008
2 posts

Hi Andre, if you are replying to my message re the leak from the water diverter then I tried (yesterday in fact!) to fix the diverter valve with a diaphragm repair kit - no joy. I'm going to order the whole diverter valve from BES and replace next week sometime.
The diaphragm repair was easy, you shouldn't have any worries about tackling it. Hopefully replacing the whole valve won't be too much more of a problem.
Cheers,
Dave.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
28 June 2008, 10:19 AM
Matlock
Joined 17 Dec 2005
2 posts

It's back round to me again, I started this thread 3 years ago, and my diaphram is starting to fail again. When I replaced the the diaphram last time I introduced a leak on the telescopic pipe connected to the diverter valve which I repaired with a sealant.
I know it will leak again so is there a way of fixing the telescopic joint as I've read that O rings can be used, if it can't be fixed what is the part I will need and where can I get one from?
Also is the diaphram in the whole diverter valve sold by bes the same as just the diaphram as I may replace the whole valve if it is likely to last longer.

Worcester 240 - no hot water
7 July 2008, 4:46 PM
amt29
Joined 7 Jul 2008
1 posts

Hi all

I originally had a problem of only getting hot water when I turned the flow rate down low on the taps. After reading some of this thread replacing the diaphragm (the old one was perished) cured that problem.

I have now noticed that when I turn on the hot taps or run the shower I get hot water BUT all of the radiators get hot too (central heating is switched off of course). My guess is this is being caused by a faulty diverter valve? Is it worth trying to dismantle it and clean and re-grease any moving parts? If not, what sort of price is a new diverter valve? It also looks fairly tricky to remove - I already have leaking in/out valves that dont leak if you turn them to a particular position (just backed off from fully open). I'm loath to end up with more leaks

I also have a problem of the system pressure falling, but only when the central heating is switched on. Perhaps this is related to the previous problem I described.

Any help/thoughts gratefully received!

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