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this is an example of one of the reason i hate the kc show circle so much.my friend breeds italian greyhounds and and the slander and bad mouthing she has had because she sells her babies unblocked is disgusting because they want to keep the breed so private elite and to themselves makes me sick!!! if only they knew the unblocked male she aquired in the first place came from there own snooty circle
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22 April 2008, 8:46 PM
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kitty
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hey luckhurt. i completly agree there are some owners who push their dogs too hard but many people that show are just in it to socialize and have fun. i dont think dog showing makes money after you pay all the expenses i think its just a great hobby. i dont show i dont have the confidence for it but i have always thought about it :D
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22 April 2008, 8:53 PM
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Luckhurst
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Hi
I was exactly the same when it came to confidence but honestly its not that bad lol, youve just got to get up and do it. we have a ring craft place in our town that shoes and helps you how to do it all, theye might be one in your area if your interested.
We proberly spend more money running our dogs around england to shows than we will ever get back (we only show them about once a month)
The slander off some people in shows is awful we got told our newfie wasnt good enough for show, this was our first show, and we believed them, wont make that mistake again! we went to a show 2 weeks ago and the judge said he hadnt seen a newfie with that good bone structure in years, and she is a good show dog. its amazing what some people say to get you out of the competion.
We made some friends there though so it good, dogs love the attention.
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22 April 2008, 9:06 PM
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kitty
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ye my girls arnt KC registered so i couldnt anyway :(
awww ur newfie sounds goegeous im glad you didnt let them evil people shatter your confidence. i was looking into ringcraft classes a while ago.
does anyone know if i can get a chi pup with 5 generation pedigree on both sides or a 15months old cavie with 4 generation pedigree kc registered??
or can only a breeder do that??
do the dogs parents have to be registered??
i dont know anything about this kc registration stuff. its not particually important to me right now but if i ever decided to show it would sure be handy to know.
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yes kitty in order for your puppy to have a kc reg the parents must be registered too both of them i can't kc my little mollys puppys which incidently she hasn't had yet should have been sunday haha because she is kc but my stud isn't
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22 April 2008, 9:28 PM
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kitty
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aww dang i read in a book i have that as long as the pedigree goes back 5 generations then you can register them. oh well lol i guess we shall stick to fun day shows tehe
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think you can register them with the dog lovers when they have 5 generation kitty just not kc
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12 June 2008, 7:24 PM
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I want to buy a toy poodle. And I have been disgusted and disturbed so far by the large amount of inadequate breeders. I am suprised that individuals are breeding different breeds of dogs and coming up with their own name such as, 'maltipoo', like it is a new breed. I can not believe how many adverts are for these kind of unknown 'breeds'!
I am also disgusted by so-called breeders that are selling underage, underdeveloped and unweaned puppies. I went toa 'breeder' to look at some toy poodles in Salford and was disturbed by what I saw. This breeder was selling puppies at 5.5 weeks old that were still crying for their mother's milk, they were also tiny, they were being played with quite roughly by her grandchildren, they hadn't been wormed (and obviously not vaccinated because they are so young). On top of this, the parents were from Mayfield Kennels! This kennel gets their dogs from puppy farms, and even though the parents were bought at different times - who to say they are not related? So on top of them being too young to leave their mother, they were probably inbred too.
So, obviouisly I did not buy one. I then phoned another 'breeder', again in Salford (not a great area anyway). She was too selling her puppies at 6 wks unvaccinated, wormed, etc. She also said that they came with a 5 generation pedigree, so I asked where she got the parents from. The mother was from her friend (probably the one who bred her dogs from Mayfield Kennels) and the father...wait for it...was from a dog's home!!!!!!! I told her they were too young to leave their mother and how can they have a 5 generation pedigree, when the father is from a dog's home and you don't know the father's history!?
So I am still looking for a toy poodle from a good, reputable breeder within the North (preferably Manchester).
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5 July 2008, 4:28 PM
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lisa
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hi just been reading about crossbreed dogs l think are ok l would never have one l think its all wrong people just makeing money dont care what happens down the line when the dogs get older l got 2 aktias but l looked into it for a year before l got my frist one but what makes me very very mad is that people are getting aktias and huskys then selling them because they dont have the room or did not think how big there get. l think it is all about not the dog just that someone you no got one then someone eles all l can say looking into what you are buying frist look it up.and crossbreeding aktias with husky or pittbulls or rotti etc are there mad anyway thanks for reading buy.................
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6 July 2008, 2:54 PM
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alfie01
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Kitty I dont know if the rules have changed or not bt when we got our chi it had to be the breeder who registered the pups with kc and I think for what you paid for Bindi she should have been
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yes it is the breeder who registers the puppies for kc then you change to your address
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7 July 2008, 0:20 AM
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Natalieee
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havent read all this thread so dont no if ure still talking about it but when i was looking to get a new pup a while ago i came across on epupz a dalmation cross westie! what the hell how did they manage that, also seens a pug cross westie and some other stupid thing. people shouldnt be allowed to get away with this type of stuff
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i agree very irrisponsible breeding and gods knows what they will look like
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7 July 2008, 5:57 PM
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itsmehattieb
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i'm sorry but i don't agree cross breeding is fine if you no what is involved. In actual fact many crossbreeds live longer and have better health than a normal dog.
So what if someone breeds them for fun my friend has done it ONCE before and sold all the dogs to very happy owners it desn't matter what breed the dog is so long as they are loved no one should care, and to be honest there re some strange looking dogs in the world!!!!
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7 July 2008, 6:56 PM
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lisa
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well some people think crossbreed dogs are ok thats fine but what peole dont think is that say if you cross a aktia with a rotti pittbull of husky or any big dog you wll always bring out the bad side ofthe dog but if you look at it like this people can not buy a kc reg dog because there are to much wich l think 1ooo or more fora dog is silly if its going to a good home were people are there for the dog l think breeders shud put price down anyway kc pappers mean nowt there is breeders what are very very good people and then you got the scams what are getting kc pappers for the dog then you fined out it not what you thought because when l got my aktias l looked into it frist and when she has puppys they will go to homes what people no about no down the line they gotto big got no room for her or him anymore l think people need to think alot more before buying a dog well big dogs anywayx
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thats why vetting people before they buy your puppies is very important i always do wouldn't want any of mine going to a cruel home
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7 July 2008, 10:12 PM
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lisa
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hi its lee again you said thats there is nothing wrong with crossbreeding ok thats up 2 you but you must of read it the wrong way so crossbreeds are ok but why o why crossbreed say like a husky with a rotti or a aktia with a pittbull if people do it just for the money they arent looking into down the line when the dog gets older but if its a one of then ok you would not go out and buy a car then cum home to fined out its to cars in one you be mad that goes for kids dogs cat anything and its like kc pappers they mean nowt to some people dont get me wrong there is a lot of good and a mean good breeders out there but some are scams the reason l no this is my friend go a aktia payed good money when it was older to go for walk someone said to her what is it so she said etc then that person said dont think so so got her thinking so she took the dog to the vets for a dna test weeks went buy when she got it back the mum was a aktia but dad was not thats what l mean it makes me mad there is people who would do that and now she got the dog to breed wich she wont now thats why kc mean nowt you phone the kennel club and they can no do anything if you got papers because it says its kc when it might not be like farm breeding it needs to stop anyway going now before l pop thanksx
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7 July 2008, 11:48 PM
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Natalieee
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yeah there isnt anything wrong with crossbreeds, both my dogs are crossbreeds but when the dogs health & temperment hasnt been taken into consideration then i dont agree with it
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8 July 2008, 9:24 AM
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lisa
Joined 11 Jun 2008
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hi its lee everone ha got there own test about dogs crossbreeds or not wich is fine but everyone talks when he all goes wrong and its on the news dogs have bitten a kid wich l have all ways said some crossbreeds are ok but and l mean some you shud not because out of the litter you will get a bad one if not more well think people are tryed of talking about it now you shud think about whay you are buying you mite think you got a kc reg dog but you might not have read what l said any about kc reg dogs and breeders shud put price down l mean 2000 for a dog you will have to take out a bank loan l mean if there say they say its for the love of the puppys then not money put price down let people with big familys have a dog they are aswells wanted buyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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your right the price of dogs some partisular breeds are over the top but the fact of the matter is while people are prepared to pay that much for the breed they desire then it will never change,kc reg means nothing these days as it is so easily by passed by clever people,some of these expensive breeds do come up for a reasonsonable price on the odd occassions but then also when people get these dogs they do not read into the breeds properly and into thier needs and once the cute puppy stage has gone they are then back up for sale so if they pay a silly amount it sometimes puts them off using the dog as a disposible item when they have paid that much thus saving the dog the upset of many uncertain homes this does not occur to everyone i might add but there are too many like that
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