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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
29 July 2008, 3:30 PM
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Dresser
Joined 29 Jul 2008
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k series engines design is flawed as we all know and head gasket problem is permanent HOWEVER there is a fix that all owners can do to prevent the Head Gasket blowing. REMOVE the thermostat permanently. The heater will be poor in winter but it is a small price to pay to STOP a k series engine from overheating which results in a warped head and blown gasket. THIS WORKS!!!!!
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
30 July 2008, 11:49 PM
 Edited by r200 30 July 2008, 11:51 PM
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r200
Joined 16 Jul 2005
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>>REMOVE the thermostat permanently
If you are a skilled mechanic??,you are the first one I have come across to give this poor advice,I recommend anyone to take no notice of Dressers advice.
No stat means engine runs richer on fuel, so costs more to run and will not run properly when and if it manages to reach full running temp (may do if not driving along in it) will remain cold while driving telling ecu to run on choke (to put it simply)
and may cause petrol to wash the bores ie the oil used as a sealer between rings and bores to give compression,will be washed away losing compression and causing severe bore wear along with poor running (missfire)
Get the job done properly and you should have no problems....
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
31 July 2008, 10:29 AM
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Dresser
Joined 29 Jul 2008
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Please yourself I'm telling you a solution of how to stop the head gasket blowing , its your choice "a runner or a scrapper" the k engines helped in Rovers demise you'll not cure the problem by skimming the head and changing the gasket 4 times out of 5 it will blow again I've done enough to know that. Can you suggest otherwise how to stop k engines blowing gaskets because no one else can. Removing the thermostat is a desperate fix BUT it works. The engine life of a k series is low compared to the likes of Ford and Vauxhall In 60000 miles of motoring the head gasket plus skim plus pressure test needs to be done on average every 20000 miles thats how its worked out with our customers. I've got two Rover trained mechanics work with me and they term Leeds depot as the "Rover graveyard" simply due to head gasket failure. THERE IS NO WORK AROUND I wish there was because Rover cars are very comparable with other makes and models its a crying shame. On a positive note some customers have been lucky and only had to have the head gasket changed once before selling their cars and we know of three other customers who have never had theirs done to date one of which has 34000 on the clock. The main faults are the cylinder liners dropping a fraction, the head bolts and dowels, poor head cooling due to small water ports. Very seldom is it due to faulty fan sensor. Enough said I rest my case.
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
31 July 2008, 10:54 AM
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r200
Joined 16 Jul 2005
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Lets just say your experience is different to mine and usually they only fail again if something wasnt done correctly during refit,as an example, head tightning not adhered to so head warps after a while and worst of all not many keep an eye on coolant level/temp Most cars I know are still going and have only been scrapped due to rust/ecu failure ie high emissions on MOT.
But then again there are a hell of a lot of bodge artists out there helping them on their way again and charging absolute fortunes to fix again!!!
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
1 August 2008, 0:45 AM
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L.B.
Joined 5 Dec 2005
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I was with rover for about 10 years and have to admit I never heard this advice used before unless a it was a temporary fix for an already blown headgasket in any engine.
I have found that the modified headgaskets that are now readily supplied do the trick and as long as the engine isnt overheated there's no problem.
Young lady I know has a mgzr 160 and I done the headgasket about 35'000 miles ago and absolutely no problems as regards the head gasket.
There is a bit of a noise from the hydraulic tappets but she drove it for a while with the gasket away so that doesnt surprise me.
But the car goes very well and she is up and down from Edinburgh to Stockport everyweek and so far headgasket wise... no problems !
A quick check of the height of the liners in relation to the top of the block is of course not a bad idea although I found it's reasonably rare for the bottom liner seals to go.
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1 August 2008, 2:07 AM
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MR ZR LOVER
Joined 13 Feb 2005
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I think the preloved moderator should ban you for putting out false information.You are just another internet troll who is out to scare
people.The head gasket problem on the k series engine was a faulty
batch of gaskets fitted on pre 2004 cars just before mg/rover went
into liquidation.The only problem the k series engine has is that the cooling
system is too small.It only holds 8 1/2 pints of water and if you thrash the
car from cold it will overheat quickly and blow out the gasket.
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5 August 2008, 7:45 PM
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spacepygmy
Joined 2 Mar 2008
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my engine in 416 has gone way of the goo,,,,i suspect head gas but am gonna check head bolts first,,, have done the old flush and remove thermo and car gets me around without overheating... the little ballbearing was stuck at backend of inlet manifold,,of course i will take this out when i start to do fix..// this advice is good if u already have gunge in engine ,, i done a few rovers and have always done this with said symtoms,,, however it is not a cure as u can seriously damage the engine over TIME!!!..,,, best to take time and eliminate poss probs then fix, than run about for months without thermo.......... ps just got my mreg 214 though mot today am chuffed....lol.....
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14 August 2008, 7:58 PM
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musiker
Joined 14 Aug 2008
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Hi...I have read the advice with great interest. I was just on the point of scrapping my son's 416. We had the head skimmed and gasket replaced + cam belt etc...3 months ago. But yet again the car is overheating. The thing is...I'm not a mechanic...but I'm not so sure its the HG. The car ticks over fine for aprox 20 mins or so....then the gauge starts to rise...fairly quickly....but the engine still runs fine. But when you pull over....and stop the engine...there follows a loud Shhhhhh...and then steam blows from the hose which connects aprox centre of the engine..bulkhead side. I just wonder if there is a blockage...as the radiator is stone cold ??. Also...I notice, that the garage must not have flushed the system...as the gunk from the previous gasket change is still floating around in the filler tank.
There is no scum on the inside of the oil cap...the dipstick is clean.....and there is no water dripping out of the exhaust.
Is it worth the garage having it back to check it out?
I'd appreciate your feedback.
Cheers
Musiker
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
14 August 2008, 8:08 PM
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musiker
Joined 14 Aug 2008
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Hi....just refering to your point about the ball bearing....I've heard of this before. My son's car is still scummed up in the filler tank...despite recent HG change....and overheating has started again ( see my earlier post). Can you perhaps show me the location of this ball bearing....and...is it easy to remove ?
I'd really appreciate your help....before I write off £500 + of work. !!
Cheers
Musiker
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PERMANENT FIX Head Gasket over Heat
16 August 2008, 8:40 PM
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L.B.
Joined 5 Dec 2005
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The ball bearing is located in the manifold in an outlet pipe that goes to the plastic expansion tank.
Sometimes removing the pipe and having a poke about with a small screwdriver down it would free it off but most of the time a removal of the manifold and poking it from the flat side of the manifold is required as the ball actually moves into the manifold pipe.
This used to be quite a common problem but havent seen it for a while now.
You shouldnt really have to actually remove the ball bearing, it's more a case of checking that it can move easily in the pipe when pushed against.
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