hobby caravans again
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No one doubts the towing capability of many 4x4's for towing the 2.5m width vans - it is just against UK law. It isn't until something goes wrong - it needn't be your fault - that insurance questions are asked. Driving without insurance, because that is what you are doing, carries a heavy penalty when caught, even if it is through ignorance. What happens if a third pary is severely injured whilst you are driving your outfit and it is your fault? Life is a gamble - fine when things are OK ............. Regards. Peter
insurance should not be a problem, my tabbert is sited and insured thru adrian flux for £205, plus £38 for cris registration. the best tip i have is make everyone else's look easier to pinch, i.e. wheels off, on blocks, hitch lock, cris number on windows etc, the more trouble, the less likely! my awning was from towsure, their largest in the orion range and cost £409 and fits very well (its full size) and annexes are available at £109 each. hope this info is of use to some of you
HAPPY XMAS TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILLY,HOPE YOU ARE ALL WELL? YESYOUR RIGHT RE THE LAW,ITS AN ASS I HAVE ASKED 4 DIFFERENT POLICE OFFICERS AND THEY ALL SAID THE SAME - THEY HAVENT GOT A CLUE....... 3 WERE TRAFFIC COPS,THE LAW SAYS YOU NEED 3500KG CAPACITY TO TOW BUT THE VEHICLE PULLING SHOULD BE20% HEAVIER THAN THE CARAVAN SO A SHORT WHEEL BASE TRANSIT CAN PULL A 8FT WIDE ROMA AT WHAT EVER LENGTH BUT IF IT WEIGHS LESS,A TRANSIT WEIGHS CIRCA 2000KGS AND A ROMA 762 WEIGHS 2500KGS YET ILL BET NO COPPER WILL PULL YOU AS HE WILL THINK THE VAN CAN TOW IT ALL I CAN SAY IS BE CAREFUL AS YOU NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF OTHER ROAD USERS. SADLY OUR LAWS DONT STACK UP AND DIFFER FROM EU LAWS SO AS EVER IT WILL TAKE A DISASTER OR DEATH TO SORT IT OUT ONCE AND FORM ALL ! I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A 7.5 TON LORRY !!! REGARDS DAN
The law in the UK should be pretty well known by now; you need a tow vehicle of over 3500kgs GVW to tow legally in the UK. You do not need a tachograph for private use. The problem in not complying with this requirement is not being hauled over by the police, or more likely VOSA, as this is pretty unlikely, as folks have reported. It is the consequences that ensue should you be involved in a RTA. BOTH your caravan and car insurance will be rendered invalid; Inc. Co's can't insure for an illegal act, whatever they may say or write to get your premium off you!! You are then personally liable for any damages and if that includes a third party it could well be financially crippling. If you are prepared to take the 'financial hit' then fine, but most of us can't afford to. There are Landrover Defenders that are over 3500kg GVW, together with Fiat Dailys, Merc Sprinters, and some Transits and LDV's. These can generally be configured to have more passenger seats etc. so that they are less van-like, albeit more minibus like!! I have seen a number of folks towing legally with American double-cab pick ups like Dodge RAMs and Fords etc. But I have just been informed that you must be very careful in buying a Dodge because they may be de-rated when imported into the UK. Chap I met towing with a RAM 3500 was very pleased with his. Quite saloon car like inside and he used the covered pickup area for stowing lots of his caravanning kit. It was auto with a big Cummins 5.8l? V8 DIESEL engine. Cost a bit over £32K new. It looked the dog's wotsits when hitched up to his WIDE T-A Hobby. And he was legal! ___________________ Cheers, Doc. imported Hobby 450 UB Skoda Octavia Estate Tdi (130bhp)
Thank you for your email. If you passed your driving test before 1/1/97 you will have category C1E on your licence. This will cover you to drive vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg with a combined weight of not more than 8250kg. As you can see, it is the weight of the vehicles that determine the categories required. I hope this is helpful. Regards Lynne Hodgetts http://www.direct.gov.uk/motoring [THREAD ID:1-EIETK] -----Original Message----- From: Sent: 13/12/2006 22:02:34 To: [Log in to view email] Subject: towing large caravans i wonder if you can help??????? i'm finding it hard to get the correct info. i want to tow a tabbert comtesse caravan (german), i know my mitsubishi pajero 4x4 cannot legally tow it, it requires a commercial vehicle over 3500kgs. i have had a full car licence since 1993, so i can drive a 7.5 ton lorry, what is the largest vehicle i can tow the caravan with?, i would guess something like a new transit jumbo (4.5ton on tacho), caravan spec is as follows: twin axle, 8ft wide, 23t long not including drawbar, approx 1950kgs, fitted with uk spec lights tow hitch and registration plate. is a caravan classed as a trailer when you tow it with a 7.5 ton lorry? the van i have is not strictly a caravan, its a living trailer with no bathroom toilet or sink, strictly a dry van as used by travellers, so it would be more like moving house. we only wish to tow it to a site, not tour with it like a normal caravan, as it will be permanently sited. i have used my 4x4 to manouver the caravan and the total length is approx 43ft, so a 7.5 ton would be around 55ft. any assistance you can give would be greatly appreciated. many thanks,
Looks like you been sucked into buying a caravan that you can't tow. I'm sure people have told you that you can but where will they be when you are pull over or even worries arrested for driving without insurance. Sure the Hobby caravans are nicce but you are about to move from a nice guy who is alway legal to someone who is on the dark side.... Is this fair.... No... Are you areal criminal... nooo But, if you vrash and god forbid you kill someone.... You will never look back and thank anyone for sellingyou the caravan. I have got a Hobby and yes I am legal. Ive seen loads that are not and I hope they never get in trouble. The UK law is wrong but it is what it is... You cant try to make a case that they should folloe Europen law and you wont be the first. God blest you and I am sorry to be the beerer of bad news..... Someone has missleeed you and you might lose money for being so trusting.... Good luck.
Hello Doc how long you been floating around on Preloved? Would this be a twin wheeler RAM with an 8ft back on it? because the standard crew cab is not much heavier than a Shogun at 2.25T and only has a miserly half ton payload!? Wouldn't want any confusion because it's a Yank? 3500 is pounds not kilo's ___________________ website: http://www.arcsystems.biz email: [Log in to view email] If you want to join the 'CARVER QUESTIONS' discussion and ask a new question, click on any 'reply to this message' within that discussion and your question will then appear on the last page.
Yes you are correct. To get the >3500kgs GVW it has to be the twin rear wheel version, with flared wheel arches to accomodate the extra wheel. This one is often not shown on the web sites so you need to know it exists and hunt out the small print!! The thing was pretty big & wide itself and barely needed towing mirrors for the 8' wide 'van behind!! (He reckoned to get ~18mpg from the Diesel engine BTW!!) I saw it on the Commons Wood CC site and access to it down Ascot lane is pretty narrow, but he obviously managed it OK. The '3500' is a model no. I think, rather than any descriptor of vehicle weight etc. ___________________ Cheers, Doc. imported Hobby 450 UB Skoda Octavia Estate Tdi (130bhp) Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
Just ignore them; they really don't like that. ___________________ Cheers, Doc. imported Hobby 450 UB Skoda Octavia Estate Tdi (130bhp)
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Thanks Mary.L.G ___________________ Thanks Redman 53
Whilst checking my OLD hobby on site y'day; I met a couple who had their "new" 660 broken into. Don't really know too many details; but I thought I would do the neibourly thing & enquire;- does anyone know of a supplier or s'hand dealer that might do front windows, [complete + frame] ????? Whilst on; I have Two old; but clean & dry c'vans; & a T'tent for sale. Be ideal for 1st time tryer's; boot fairs; or as we did steam fairs & the like, saves taking a decent van on site !!! Would this be a good site to do an advert ??? or are their others more suited to the "budget" range. Bit different to listening to towing problems ... HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL. Going to be busy this winter removing fridge & cooker that don't work to well. That should be fun, any hints ??? also may take out the "blow heating" unit and replace with a more "pleasing to look at" coal effect fan heater, once again any hints ???
yews - buy a roma ! if you want parts i have 2 contacts for them within the trade regards dan sullivan director roma caravans limited cranfield beds 08700 724 365 07977991305
RogerP
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