hobby caravans again
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Hobbynut
Just a line to thank you for the CIS insurance phone number I insured my Hobby 635 with them today after asking all the questions about width and length. The camping caravan club would not touch my Hobby as it is 8 foot wide and stated that they will only insure a caravan with a max width of 7 feet six inch, very curt and unhelpful to say the least. I was thinking only this year of joining them too!! The CIS was more than helpful they spent an hour making sure that all my questions was answered and the gentleman double checked their rules regarding width and said that they had no ruling about widths of caravans they covered. I will receive the full details in writing this Friday and will go through it all to make sure everything is as It should be. Kind regards John.
Did you ask CIS the $100 question: Am I covered if I am towing the caravan using a vehicle that is outside of the law for towing this particular caravan? CIS is fine if your van is sited permanently on site, or being towed by a vehicle within the law. Regards. Peter
i am also with CIS and i have it in writing that i am insurance whilst towing with any vehicle i own. I also know a dealer that deals with the repairs of Hobby Caravan insured via CIS and he said that they are very good at paying out both for accidents and for normal accidental damage. Vicki (kaiko2107) Please remember to sign the petition people. thanks again. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/trailer-width/ (320 signatures so far)
If your caravan is 2.5 metre wide then you can only pull with a commercial vechicle and then it has to be over 3.5 tonne, its stupid int it?
Im with Lister Patrick, do you think its worth changing to CIS as im pulling with a freelander at the moment but am looking for a commercial vechicle, but have just found out via this forum even a warrior or animal is not legal, but need to tow with a minibus, van etc. Donna Can you send me a copy of thre letter or fax it for me
The HOBBY 495 range (De Luxe, Excellent, Excellent Easy, Exclusive and Prestige) are all 2.3 m width caravans. All you need is an appropriate towing vehicle for use in the UK and abroad. I had an early 495 and it was excellent in every respect. Annual servicing was under £50 (agreed, a few years ago!). I only replaced one exterior door catch, at a cost of 76 pence. TowSure will match your proposed caravan with a number of possible vehicles. You can do this privately or through one of the Clubs (discount prices!). Either of the Caravan Clubs will insure the 495 for you. The Maximum Technical Laden Mass is 1350Kg (unless the tyres/wheels/steadies/chassis have been upgraded to 1450Kg or even 1550Kg). The Unladen Weight varies between 1050-1150+ Kg depending on model and accessories fitted by the manufacturer. If you follow the 'Golden Rule' that the caravan MTLM should be approximately 85% of the towing vehicle Mass in Running Order then your towing vehicle needs to be between 1600 and 1850Kg depending on model and any factory fitted upgardes. The old Volvo estates towed these vans really well - fuel consumption wasn't that good though! The other factor, of course, is engine power and appropriate torque at low engine revs. Hope this helps. Peter Adverts Currently On Preloved - Place an ad here for free
I can assure you, from my own personal experience (go back in the forum and see just how many thousands of pounds it cost me), that if you are towing your caravan outside of the LEGAL requirements and you have an accident (regardless of blame) your insurers will not cover you for the damage or loss sustained to either towing vehicle, caravan or both. Indeed, if a third party is involved, they will be able to claim against you personally. I know you say that your insurers have given you a letter to tow with anything that you own - but if you ask them if that also applies if you are towing outside of the law, it would be interesting to see their written reply. If you were to tow with a motor-tricycle (it can be done quite easily) and involved in an accident you could end up with some serious convictions. How about causing death by dangerous driving? Driving without valid insurance? Violation of Road Traffic Acts? Kind Regards and Safe towing. Peter
I still own a Hobby, bought in Germany, sure I have mentioned that before, a 540uk. To be honest the urge to get a twin axle Hobby is as strong as ever. The missus gets glassy eyed now when its mentioned..its a long running conversation !.As many of you probably do, I do get annoyed that there seem to be more and more idiots seemingly happy to take the risk of driving around without insurance,for thats what happens when pulling a van over 2.3 wide with anything other than a commercial.My missus is happy to remind of that fact, she has worked in motor insurance for over 25 yrs. Anyway I hope that everyone that has bought a Hobby has had as much fun in theirs as we have had in ours.Ours has been well used,dragged around France a couple of times, and away most weekends in the summer. Our Hobby days could be coming to an end soon though if I have my way.. have my eye on a new Eldiss Crusader.Persuading her indoors though is another thing!. I will have a peek to see if anyone replys. bfn Mart
I signed up to add another name to the petition. However if this "government" can totally ignore the 2 million who did not want road tolls etc we will need a miracle. A new government might help. Cheers Mac
I remember the start of the thread - come to that, the other Hobby threads as well! My wife and I have had a variety of Hobby vans over the years - some quite short term, just for over-wintering on the Continent. We have always obtained a good return on our purchases. We currently have a 750 UMF permanently sited in southern Spain and a smaller (..!..) 400SF that we use in this country and for travels on the Continent, particularly to and fro between our permanent site. We also have a 'family' loan 460UFe that has covered something like 30000 miles around the UK and the Continent. We don't see much of that one as it is always away week-ends and many weeks throughout the year. However, we are currently in the process of switching to Burstner! For a slightly different reason to your move, no doubt. Being beyond 77 we are looking for an island bed van that we can still tow. Age has had a marked telling on the bladder and my wife doesn't get much sleep when I'm in and out, for the loo, two or three times each night! Prostate surgery hasn't helped the situation. Hobby don't make them yet, but Burstner do within our weight range. Pricing in Germany and Luxembourg is very, very competitive when compared to UK pricing. I'm pleased to say that the Caravan and Camping Club, as well as the Caravan Club, have given me good quotations on 'Old for New' basis. Van must be towed within the law, as stipulated by Cornhill Insurance who insure my tow car and have also provide the cover whilst towing to meet Road Traffic Acts regarding insurance in this country and within the EU. I hope you are able to get the van of your choice in the near future. Happy and safe towing. Kind Regards. Peter
Regarding the petition - it is quite interesting to see the list of signatures getting longer but do bear in mind that it runs to 2008 before it is looked at by No 10 - so don't buy that 2.5m van just yet! Peter
Vicki
But we have never had an accident and drive very carefully and hope that this will always be the case. The whole issue is that our 4x4 is capable of towing our caravan. Yes technically it is outside the law but only because of the width. We can see past our caravan (without mirrors) but still use two towing mirrors. Its is LESS weight than our old Avondale. It is just 8" wider. Everyone on this forum goes on about the dangers of us driving this monster of a caravan just because it is 8" wider. It is not a monster and not anymore dangerous than towing a british made caravan. I am NOT asking anyone to break the law. If i want to risk it then it is MY business no one elses. I have done the best i can to stay within the law but i do not agree with this law when there are vehicles that are legally on the road but by far more dangerous. If i have an accident with my caravan it will not be because its an 8ft wide hobby. I have it in writting that my caravan will be fixed if damaged. My car on the other hand I realise is a different matter. I have not yet approach my insurance to get an answer on that. If i get charged i will take it to the European court of appeals and as far as i can go with it to publicise it. I will not go quietly so watch this space. This law is stupid and has NOTHING to do with safety. At the end of the day Peter we all do what we can. I have never been convicted of a crime or has my husband. I uphold the law as best i can. But i do not agree with this one and i will take my stand. All i ask is a little help from people who agree with me by signing the petition and showing there support when needed eg when i get taken away in the police car. I thankyou for your comments Peter and i am sorry you had a bad experience and i know your just trying to avoid it for other and i thankyou but to be honest we need someone to get caught to take this issue further. Maybe it will be me. Vicki
http://www.whattowcar.com I found it really useful to get the match for my 650kfu all be it an illegal match but it tell you what car as far as weight etc is concerned it does not go into the legalities of width issue but it does tell you the percentage of the weight from car/caravan etc. Even lets you know the fuel consumtion. Have a look.
http://www.whattowcar.com I found it really useful to get the match for my 650kfu all be it an illegal match but it tell you what car as far as weight etc is concerned it does not go into the legalities of width issue but it does tell you the percentage of the weight from car/caravan etc. Even lets you know the fuel consumtion. Have a look. Vicki
If you send me your fax no to my email address i will fax a copy of the letter to you. It is [Log in to view email] Vicki
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