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Advice on new PC I bought please
28 April 2009, 9:41 PM
pc
Joined 6 Nov 2007
259 posts

Hi....got this new machine a couple of weeks ago...only cheap but I only use it for emailing and listening to music..so it suits me fine....got windows xp home edition on it and I know its a legal copy cos I had to validate it on microsoft site for updates....but theres no license no. no sticker on the machine ...nothing...also when I collected it...(its new) the guy in the store said it came with recovery discs...and today I found out it doesnt...the store says I cant do a system recovery on it..only system restore...if I want to do a recovery on it I have to purchase an xp cd they said..and then take the machine into them for them to recover it...??? Does this sound dodgy to anyone in the know about computers...I only bought it cos my old one had gone bang and this one was cheap as to wot I cud afford at the time....Have I been had here?? On the old machine there was something called back up..which I used to do periodically..but on this one there isnt..the store said they dont allow that on their machines?? I know very very little about computers..and like I said I only bought it cos it was cheap and i needed a pc....they said when I collected it from the store that they had already activated windows on it?? Anyone explain what I've done here getting this pc please?? Thanks....
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Advice on new PC I bought please
28 April 2009, 10:04 PM
Mike H
Joined 8 Aug 2008
7 posts

Hi.not fully aware of why you neeed recovery..but however there are several sites with info for you..you may find info you want on this site.....http://www.theeldergeek.com/recovery_console.htm hope this gives you some help..cheers..Mike
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Advice on new PC I bought please
4 May 2009, 9:19 PM
Peter
Joined 27 Oct 2006
177 posts

Hi PC,
sOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN HAD AND YOU SHOULD TAKE IT BACK!
It does'nt sound like it has come from a legitimate source.

Regards
Peter


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Advice on new PC I bought please
26 May 2009, 10:43 PM
stainless
Joined 4 Oct 2007
201 posts

Pc or laptops dont come with recovery discs you have to make them yourself using the built in software,you didnt state make or model of yours.
usually when you press a certain button sometimes its alt/f10 this brings you into recovery partition on the hard drive to recover...it could also be another button but if you get the manual this will explain it all,So no you dont need to go back to store for recovery you should be able to do this your self (unless its secondhand and previous owner kept the disc/s) in which case you may have to buy them from pc manufacturer cost may be up to £35 or cheaper
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Advice on new PC I bought please
28 May 2009, 10:04 PM
Smike
Joined 28 May 2009
4 posts

I agree with some of the responses made, but this all seems a bit confusing and I can understand why from my own difficulties in the past.

The difference between 'restore' and 'recovery' is that 'restore' puts the contents of the PC - that is the operating system and the pre-loaded software, back to the way it was when it left the factory. The restore disc is sent by the manufacturer to the retailer or distributor, along with the system as supplied under an agreed marketing package.

A genuinely new machine should come with system restore discs - all PC's that have software loaded as part of the deal, come this way.

The other possibility is that the shop have bought components and built a new machine and decided what software to pre-load themselves.

Recovery discs are made by the owner at some point after they have bought the machine and when they have perhaps added, removed or altered software according to their own choices. Recovery discs are a back-up set that makes a record of everything the owner wants to save on the machine at the time they go through the process.

When I bought a PC that had been assembled the retailer, they supplied a genuine operating system licence attached to the tower and years later, were happy to reinstall this original system for a small fee, when I wanted to wipe it clean of possible viruses etc.

Your shop doesn't sound very helpful at all and without giving a simple explanation which I could understand, I would be suspicious of what they had sold to me.


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Advice on new PC I bought please
29 May 2009, 1:10 PM
stainless
Joined 4 Oct 2007
201 posts

Smike,I cannot agree in that restore is on a the hard drive,it is the section of windows which can be used to restore system to a previous state not always to manufacturers spec....recovery discs are either bought from the manufacturer or made as a one off set by the pc/laptop itself bringing the system back to new condition

some new pcs and laptops now allow you to create more than one copy of system recovery discs which they would not allow a while back.

but they rarely come with recovery discs made up/ie prerecorded

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Advice on new PC I bought please
29 May 2009, 1:45 PM
Smike
Joined 28 May 2009
4 posts

Stainless, you are correct in that I accidentally swopped the meaning of the words 'restore' and 'recovery'. Restore IS a facility on the hard disk of the machine you buy.

Product Recovery DVD ROM I'm looking at right now, came with each of the 2 Toshiba laptops I bought for my family.

What this disc does (I know because I have used it) is delete everything on the hard drive and then re-install everything that was on the machine at the time of purchase - operating system, system tools and software.

I'm surprised to hear that this may not be the case with other brands or recent sales practice. I stand corrected if this is the case.

Thanks


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Advice on new PC I bought please
29 May 2009, 4:25 PM
pc
Joined 6 Nov 2007
259 posts

Hi...I have contacted the shop where I purchased this pc and they told me there are no recovery discs and there is no way I can create my own??? Like I have said before..I am not computer savvy...he said if I ever needed to do this I would have to return the machine to the shop and they would put some peice of software onto it or do it for me themselves....?????
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Advice on new PC I bought please
29 May 2009, 7:59 PM
stainless
Joined 4 Oct 2007
201 posts

it would be easier if you gave us make model and serial no of your pc....assuming its not a made up pc by this shop....in which case I would buy the operating system of your choice for as cheap as possible then download all drivers needed for all components and burn to disc
also some programs can be gotten for free if you know where to look

IMO I wouldnt deal with a shop that worked like that,but thats the way some make extra money and you get a cheap pc which for the agro involved it would be cheaper to get a pc from a larger store where you get some comeback

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Advice on new PC I bought please
30 May 2009, 10:29 PM
stainless
Joined 4 Oct 2007
201 posts

Hi Smike,I have just bought a toshiba satelite and you have to make up/burn the discs yourself,they didnt even supply the discs to burn with, how cheap is that

Also when you use them they dont wipe your disc only rename all files so windows cannot see them,if you need to properly delete files you need to get a program that writes zeros all through the disc something like wipedrive pro, though that costs, but there are programs that do same job free

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Advice on new PC I bought please
30 May 2009, 10:39 PM
madmark50484
Joined 28 May 2009
1 posts

lets clear some things up for a start you must have a coa (windows sticker on) just because it prompted you to update etc it could just be hes used one for a number of computers secondly with restore disks some come with discs and some have the os stored on a small partition on your hard disk which you can make restore discs off.

going back to the first question if it was new I would take it back if it didnt have a coa as essentially without it your windows is not genuine.

thanks
Mark

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Advice on new PC I bought please
31 May 2009, 6:47 AM
-  Edited by mikeatvillage 31 May 2009, 8:53 AM
mikeatvillage
Joined 16 May 2009
5 posts

I agree with Mark, if it hasn't got a Windows sticker with the licence number on it stuck to the machine then it's not legal and the supplier is breaking copyright laws.

Are they going to charge you for restoring/recovering ?

I've never been supplied with a computer (desktop or laptop) which hasn't come with either a valid original Windows CD, a system recovery CD or the option to create a restore CD (from a partition on the hard drive) and all have had the valid holographic windows sticker with a licence number stuck to them somewhere. (I've bought around 200 in the past couple of years).

Sounds a little dodgy, I'd take it back and take my custom elsewhere.

Mike

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Advice on new PC I bought please
1 June 2009, 0:02 AM
Smike
Joined 28 May 2009
4 posts

I strongly agree with the last three posts, Stainless, Mark and Mike.

Stainless mentions that when you wipe a disc you are not really wiping it but I believe that following a defrag, areas of a disc which still have your old records on them are available to write over and partially mask previously 'deleted' information. - I read that you need to write over the whole of a disc a number of times with meaningless code to really get rid of old records.

Mark and Mike, you have hit the nail on the head - my tower PC was made up from parts by a local company, but it still came with a valid Microsoft sticker with a hologram and licence number.

After eight years, it still 'does what it says on the can'.
Regards to each,


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Advice on new PC I bought please
1 June 2009, 2:52 PM
-  Edited by pc 1 June 2009, 2:53 PM
pc
Joined 6 Nov 2007
259 posts

Hi...me again...got trouble with this new pc now...anyone know whats happened here please...ystdy wanted to get some pics off my mobile onto the pc so connected my fone by the usb cable and only a few seconds after connecting it to pc smelt a very strong burning smell coming from the tower...so i unplugged usb cable and shut pc down...waited for a while and rebooted it...it appeared ok..no burning smell..so thought i wud have another go at connectin my fone...decided to try another usb port...nothing happened...so tried the one that was burning and notification came on the screen saying that the usb had malfunctioned and windows didnt recognise it...this means nothin to me...what has happened and what do i need to do???? Thanks.....
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Advice on new PC I bought please
2 June 2009, 11:09 PM
paul
Joined 27 Jun 2003
235 posts

Few weeks old,take it back under warrenty.
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