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Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
21 October 2009, 11:12 PM
-  Edited by Mikethebuyer 21 October 2009, 11:14 PM
Mikethebuyer
Joined 18 Sep 2009
7 posts

I am looking for a second-hand caravan, I have been looking on here and on ebay, I have looked at the prices made on ebay for the large selection of caravan for sale and I am not sure if the prices both on ebay and here on preloved are realistic.
On here there are a lot of old adverts I am not sure if this is because the advertisers cannot be bothered to remove or that they are not selling at the prices being asked.

On ebay it is easy to see that most caravans do NOT sell, failing to meet reserves, quite a few not recieving any bids I persume that the starting prices are too high. It is easy to see the sold prices and the maximum bid where a van failed to meet the reserve. Would I be correct in saying that these prices represent the real prices that should be paid for s/h caravans?

I am new to this and hence would like others opinions.

Thanks


Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
22 October 2009, 9:10 PM
woodvale
Joined 27 Apr 2008
71 posts

when i was looking i went to a few dealers.
when i seen thier prices my jaw hit the floor, they were easily couple of grand dearer than private sales on vans between 1999 and 2001 as this was the age we were looking for.
they came out with the usual reasons that they had to stand over it and it had been serviced and checked out.
but they were not worth that much more.they also sell them bare with all accessories having to be bought after caravan but with private sale you may get these in deal
i ended up buying one private from a guy that had it for sale at the side of the road.
i had a look around the van and checked the vin with cris, checked for damp, all the appliences were working, tyres and brakes, lights, and floor.
after a lot of poking etc i decided to buy it.plus it came with all origonal books and paperwork, manuals etc.
no problems since.
i saved £2500 on a dealers price for a van of same age but a thiers was a lesser model.
the dealers also said that because i was looking for a 5 berth that they were dearer accordingly but they may say that for all models....
i looked on ebay also but they were hard to verify how genuine they were as contact is slow between seller and buyer and for this reason i would not bid high on one from ebay. so i would imagine they are not true representation.
all i would say is that dealers in my opinion are too dear but private sales are at your own risk with no real comeback.
look at the following site for an idea on prices and hope it helps...
happy hunting.

http://www.caravanpriceguide.com/index.html


Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
23 October 2009, 5:59 PM
keith
Joined 7 Feb 2005
1387 posts

This year prices are much higher due to the credit crunch, a lot of people have decided to stay at home & try caravanning, some will not like it & there may well be a lot of units on sale at the end of the season, at the mo dealers have just about run out of second hand stock so they are desperately trying to buy vans at decent prices, but i have been in some dealerships & they have only had 3 or 4 s/h vans on stock.
Keith...


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Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 8:58 AM
bobby
Joined 18 Sep 2009
11 posts

hi mike, some people inc, dealers do ask to much for what there caravan is actually worth i think they just make a figure up dont you i,ve got a 5berth van on here for sale a genuine good van with solid floor no damp or any leaks at a reasonable price, the same van year and everything was sold!! at a dealers for £3,500 mines half that! do you possibly think people think they are getting a better van at a higher price i think perhaps some think if its cheap or cheaper its no good or a shed thats full of rot!! mind you sometimes they are,and the folk that are selling these are just chances, so in my opinion a viewing is essential before you part with deposits,even if it costs you in fuel to get to wherever,i no this as i travelled from nottingham to looe in cornwall for what i was told over the phone was an imaculate twin axle 24footer with no damp or leaks only to find a complete load of what can only be described as rubbish,to put it lightly as not to offend any viewers of this site!! and this van was £3,250 it had no resale value at all at any price, the internal roof had gone all spongey as was the floor,inner front of van both sides, toilet area, you could practice surf boarding on the floor!,and the owner told me it was just general wear n tear,this jaunt cost me n the wife over ! £400 in fuel,caravan hire at a local holiday home site, all because of the liar trying to sell his pile of crap,these folk should be bloody shot at dawn, and if he,d bin younger he would have got much more from me than he bargained for ,so be warned, regards bobby.

Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 10:28 AM
-  Edited by Mikethebuyer 25 October 2009, 10:38 AM
Mikethebuyer
Joined 18 Sep 2009
7 posts

Bobby

You could be right that people thing that a cheap caravan is rubbish. I am in the process of buying my first van, and given my experience with car dealers I am reluctant to buy from a dealer, I purchased a car to tow expressing the purpose I wanted it for, the dealer considered a none working tow bar was 'Fit for purpose'.

I have a wanted advert on here and I am getting very little response, It is clear and concise about what I want, living in the Midlands like you I can go almost anywhere for the right van.

I have for the last few weeks monitored the prices that caravans are making on Ebay, (you cannot do this on Preloved) you can see the sold price or the best bid if the vans do not make their reserve. It is very interesting most do not sell I would at a guess put the sold percentage as low as 25%, most of the vans have nice extras as well, so the price of the basic van is further reduced, against a dealers offering. Dealers provide reassurance that private sales do not it is not a level playing field.

I have a set of prices now that I consider are the market prices for the type of caravan I am looking for we will have to wait for the correct van at the correct price!!

For nearly new ie up from 2000 I think that these are reasonable values, in first class condition otherwise they may be too high.

years % of orginal value
1 60
2 50
3 47.5
4 45
5 42.5
6 40
7 35
8 30
9 25


Open to discuss



Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 10:47 AM
keith
Joined 7 Feb 2005
1387 posts

We sometimes found original receipts in older vans when we PDI'D them, usually the price asked was the original price new, so your prices are well out if your looking at dealers stock, but you may well be right if you take the percentages off current model prices new.
As an example i once found the original brand new bill of £3400 for a 1994 Elddis, it was sold by the dealer for £3800 & it was 12 yrs old now.
Keith...


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Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 11:01 AM
bobby
Joined 18 Sep 2009
11 posts

hi again unfortunately mike there is a lot of dishonest folk out there to make a few quid why cant they just tell the truth if you look around mate you will find what your looking for at the right price but be very carefull theres a lot of dodgy folk ie;shipment payments n want cash up front then they will deliver!!! in 3 days yer right oh! i applied for an 2009 twin axle end bed van top of the range for under 3 grand ha, ha, guess wot you got it a scam wanted me to send a bankers draft of to them idiots.,i eventually bought of a dealer mike in bradford my present van which is a 1998 its absolutelly like brand new, been kept in storage for years apperentally, i paid £4,500 vans like this are fetching around 7/10k on internet! but i no there not as good as this one, even though i paid all that money mike the dealer told me there was no warrenty with it at all,and no accessorrys wot so ever just the basic van, but by comparison to the pile of crap in cornwall its money well spent,.bobby


Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 11:33 AM
Mikethebuyer
Joined 18 Sep 2009
7 posts

Are you saying dealers rip customers off...

The values I have found on ebay, real selling prices for private deals these show that the prices are in line with the prices on
http://www.caravanpriceguide.com/index.html

Although the prices are now being achieved are similar or less than these I am looking at caravan prices where purchases from dealers may have finance and these prices are not available to non cash buyers.

Mike


Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 12:09 PM
keith
Joined 7 Feb 2005
1387 posts

No im not saying that dealers are ripping you off, i have just stated the facts & people need finance, guarantees etc, so most are prepared to deal with the professionals & not buy private & by the number of complaints about covered up problems on vans privately bought that i hear or read about i dont blame them, if a vans damp for instance from a dealer it has to be repaired by them as its not fit for purpose, but from a private seller theres no come backs.
Keith...


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Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 12:22 PM
Mikethebuyer
Joined 18 Sep 2009
7 posts

Keith, thanks

Bang on right, and that does require a fair mark up, I am not anti dealer, but there are good deals in the private market but it is and I put it in capitals so as not to mislead BUYER BEWARE.

Private buyers and sellers need to understand why the price can be so different to dealer prices.

Faults can develop at any time a dealer has to ensure that the van is fault free for a reasonable period given age and stated condition.

Statutory Rights which are not often used by buyers usually exceed the period stated by sellers as the period of warranty, new items it is now two years minimum and can be up to 6 years under the sale of goods act, a lot of responsibility for the dealer, and to take on that a private buyer requires a substantial discount.

Mike


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Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 2:30 PM
bobby
Joined 18 Sep 2009
11 posts

no i,m not saying dealers rip anybody off at all,and never made that comment, i,m satisfied at what i payed a dealer as it was the right caravan for us.

Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 2:51 PM
Mikethebuyer
Joined 18 Sep 2009
7 posts

Bobby

My comments were not make about your comments, I bargain is the deal where both seller and buyer are satisfied with the deal.
Mike


Realistic Prices - is it me that is missing something?
25 October 2009, 2:59 PM
bobby
Joined 18 Sep 2009
11 posts

yer sorry mike i realise that when i sent it sorry

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