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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2008, 11:41 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

The SB1800 is a very simple gas fire, it does not work with electric.

To light you turn the control knob until the cutout lines up with the press button 'Piezo' igniter to one side. Now press down on the knob to get gas to flow and then start pressing the Piezo to make a spark and light the gas.
Hopefully it will light and theres a viewing window toward the base of the fire so you can see, theres a slot in the fire front to see through to the viewing window. Once lit keep holding the knob down for say 15 seconds to allow the thermocouple to heat up and then let go gently, you can now adjust the knob to set the heat required.
As I said it's simple so if it gets to hot you turn the fire down, theres no thermostat to adjust it automatically.

NOW A VERY IMPORTANT SAFETY MESSAGE. these fires have two steel pipes leading up to the gas valve and back down to the burner.
It is most important you check the condition of these pipes UNDER THE FLOOR before you try and light the fire, being steel they rot and can get into a very dangerous state.



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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2008, 3:14 PM
fred
Joined 27 May 2008
1 posts

hi dont know if anyone can help but my carver cascade 2 water heater as sprung a leak ,its coming from the back of the tank inside caravan ,there is a white plastic box which wires goes into and is bolted on to end of aluminium tank with 2 bolts ,one of which as corroded and snaped in half,which is where the water is coming out off ,do i need a new hearer or is it repairable any help woul be appreciated as im new to caravaning and only had the secondhand van for a month ,cheers fred

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2008, 7:22 PM
HARVEY
Joined 15 Jun 2008
3 posts

Hi i've just purchased a 1992 conqueror 640, the hot water works fine but the heater i cannot get to work, it is not igniting. ive changed the batteries but still nothing it seems dead.
Can you help?
Think i might need to replace the whole lot.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2008, 10:53 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Don't panic Fred it's only the element seal leaking and very common indeed, you need a full seal kit and some decent DIY skills that's all


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15 June 2008, 11:07 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Harvey, from what you say you have a Carver 3000S, 3000A or SLP3002 gas fire, no matter their all identical and infact a Truma 3002 fire.

So no spark, the common problem is a loose battery holder, the first thing to try is get a small screw driver and push it between the battery hold itself and the plastic clip that holds it in. This will push the holder and the batteries within into better contact with their connections and often cures the problem.
If it does a bit of cardboard to make a wedge and replace the screwdriver gets it working perfectly.



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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 June 2008, 4:16 PM
Paxo
Joined 16 Jun 2008
1 posts

Hi, I have just bought a second hand caravan (1999 elddis mistral GT) which I believe has a carver MK 3 water system. I understand that this system had problems and the water filters are not available anymore.

I have read somewhere that it is possible to convert back to the MK 2 system by changing the inlet housing and buying a new pump to fit the MK 2 system. Is this all that I need or is there more to it?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 June 2008, 4:55 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Hi, essentially you are correct but you don't need to buy a whole new pump. Problem is some dealers either don't know or worse deign that you can get a pump adaptor to change your pump over.

You need said adaptor, mk2 filter housing complete with filter and finally a 12mm push fit elbow to connect your pipework.

If your interested I do all as a kit, contact direct for further details


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17 June 2008, 10:24 PM
HARVEY
Joined 15 Jun 2008
3 posts

Cheers for that, we've taken the front off the heater and tested the power, there is no power getting to the battery box or the wires leading into the battery box either we have the SLP3002 Model.

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18 June 2008, 0:25 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Harvey, the ignition module is self contained, it has two 'AA' batteries in the battery box to power the spark?


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21 June 2008, 3:00 PM
Rod
Joined 21 Jun 2008
3 posts

Is there a reset button on the carver gas/electric fire ,it blows cold when on electric mode

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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 June 2008, 7:52 PM
steve
Joined 21 Jun 2008
1 posts

carver cacade water heater mk1. never had one befor but not seem to be working. It ignites flame is and is good and strong for few seconds then cuts out. Ive checked the fuse and the switch all seem to be in good order. tried turning on the pump then heater,turning on hot tap then heater, just the heater still no joy, any ideas on the problem? Im all out of ideas.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 June 2008, 0:06 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Rod, assuming it's a mk1 fanmaster electric heater with a wall switch control, the reset switch is at the back but from the front top left corner of the gas fire, it's 9inches down and 7inches back exactly.
The switch is behind a 'finger' of plastic which has raised edges as a guide and only moves a millimetre or two


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22 June 2008, 0:18 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Steve, first it should work regardless of being full of water, not a good idea to run it for more than 30 seconds without though!

So three possibles;

The flame is not as good as you think it is so the control switch does not recognise the flame is lit and shuts down.
The flame is correct so gives the correct signal but the control switch is faulty so it still shuts down.
The flame and switch are ok but the connection between is faulty, the signal is on the yellow wire and a good earth on the black wire is also critical.




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22 June 2008, 12:29 PM
Rod
Joined 21 Jun 2008
3 posts

gary, spot on found the reset switch thank you for your help
Rod

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 June 2008, 9:35 PM
Yvonne
Joined 13 Aug 2007
7 posts

Gary. I have a carver 5500 turbo fanmaster. The pilot flame lights every time but as soon as you let go the control,the flame goes out. Have been to dealers on 4 occasions & every time it has worked every time. They did replace control valve unit but no difference & they don't know what else to try. I'm going to take fire out myself this week so any advice on what to check for as i've not had it out before.
John


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 June 2008, 9:49 PM
HARVEY
Joined 15 Jun 2008
3 posts

Hi Gary

Yes my husband has tested the concealed box where the batteries are held and there is nothing?

I have also tried 2 lots of new batteries too?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 June 2008, 1:52 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

John, I'm at a loss, the only problem can be the thermocouple, the magnet in the bottom of the gas valve the thermocouple energisers or the flame itself is other than bright blue or the thermocouple tip is not close enough to that flame.

I've never had to replace a valve, only replaced a thermocouple if it's valve connection is seized in and had to be destroyed to get it out to save the valve.

What I have replaced loads of are the burners, to my mind this is where the problem is.
I'm thinking the fine woven gauze inside the 'pepper pot' top of the pilot burners fell down and it's tying to light just on the pepper pot alone
in this case the flame will possibly be yellow or at least very unstable?

The main burners gauze is favourite to come off, this gauze is spot welded to the top of the burner and comes loose eventually falling off. The pilots though is underneath the top so can fall inside, it depends though how far it falls to just how the flame will be effected
If the flames correct though as seen through the sight hole it will be bright blue and dancing gently on the burner top, the gauze just visable in the light of the flame


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23 June 2008, 1:56 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
1852 posts

Harvey, to be sure I'd need to test it but it does sound like the units U/S, I'd suggest you take it with you to a decent dealer and ask them to test it before you shell out on a new one.

They are not cheap!!


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23 June 2008, 6:23 PM
robin
Joined 29 Apr 2008
5 posts

hi i have just started caravaning and bought a secondhand swift diamond
1994.everything works except the cascade water heater fails to light on gas it works via electric.i hae a control panel in the wardrobe with 3 lights green amber red the red all three lights come on.also on the floor beside the heater is another small box,with a green and amber light no switch,inside the box is a printed circuit and 2 fuses,when you try to light the heater the left hand fuse blows all the time.can anyone please help

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 June 2008, 9:26 PM
ktgit
Joined 24 Jun 2008
1 posts

HI
i have a carver cascade rapide in my motorhome and when i switch on the water heater the trip switch flicks off every time.
i have a nasty feeling that the water element might of burnt out.
if so can you replace this item easy enough on this system?

regards kevin.

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