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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 June 2005, 0:00 AM
Dave
Joined 10 Jun 2005
6 posts

Hi,
Can you help?
I have an elderly Buccaneer (1984, in lovely condition) with a Cascade Mk 1 fited. This worked perfectly through last season, but now refuses to stay alight. The single green light stays lit through the ignition cycle, the gas valve clunks quite happily and the ignitor ticks away (though irregular) and seems to light the gas. However, after 10 secconds the gas valve closes, the ignitor stops and the green light flashes. Under the van the burner assembly is quite corroded, but all covered parts including the wiring inside the rubber boot are in very good nick.

My thoughts are a problem with the flame sensor. How can I check, and are these repairable? Which wires are they - there are two sets in fibreglas sleeving which dissapear into the burner housing. One set goes to an encapsulated transformer (I presume the igniton coil?), the other to a multi-way connector block.

Is the burner assembly dismantle-able for cleaning?

Hope you can help,
Rgds,
Dave


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 June 2005, 6:09 PM
metz
Joined 11 Dec 2004
41 posts

Hi Dave, Gary's down here at Sunny Skeggy this weekend ,I mentioned your post to him, he'll reply Sunday night when he returns home.Metz.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 June 2005, 7:09 PM
Dave
Joined 10 Jun 2005
6 posts

Thanks Metz - Appreciate the help.
Dave

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 June 2005, 1:44 PM
martinh1
Joined 12 Jun 2005
9 posts

HELP
I have a carver mk2 the green light stays on all the time, I do get hot water when working on mains with the gas on.
Dont seem to get hot water when the battery is running

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 June 2005, 1:53 PM
chamb1511
Joined 17 Apr 2005
4 posts

hi gary we have hot water now thanks to metz so thanks for putting us in touch with him a lot better person than i can say for a certain person at a caravan shop in skeggy have never met such an unhelpful person before an not to even mention wat he said about certain mobile caravan repair peeps but thanks again it was both the switch and modulator that had gone


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 June 2005, 7:54 PM
alan t
Joined 16 Aug 2004
1 posts

I have a compass Rallye GTE with a Carver 5500 Turbo fanmaster heater, any idea where I can get a manual for it.

Alan


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 June 2005, 9:47 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi Dave, sunny skeg?? which it had been.
Your problem could well be to do with where you stored it over winter?, if it was over long grass you can be certain a spider has climbed inside the burner and left his bedding behind when he left this spring.
Problem is getting it to bits which involves removing the four bolts at the base of the heater and dropping the burner and it's bracket down. It may stick as originally it was sealed with silicone but it will pull down if you can remove the bolts!!. Generally when they are seized solid though the bracket you will find it best to remove the heater and work on the bench.
It's a simple job oncethe burner is out to remove the one screw that holds the baffle and another screw to release the burner and check up inside. Before reassembly sure the longer fin which protects the over-temp switch is tight against the fire box wall.
Make sure all the loose paint is removed as this can cause this problem if it falls on the burner. Then make sure those wires in the sleeve are lying flat along the bottom and not over the burner and the sleeve is pushed up tight to the over-temp switch to which they connect.
Before taking it apart make sure the wire connections are good, particularly the black common earth wire and the yellow wire to the flame sensor. The connection block to the control switch pulls off so do this a couple of times and it will scratch a fresh connection.
The sensor itself is just a piece of wire so if it is over the burner with it's tip approx 15mm above the centre of the burner it won't be at fault.
If this lot fails to fix it then the fault will be with the control switch.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 June 2005, 9:55 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Glad Metz's sorted you out Chamb's...I cannot imagine who this un-helpful person could be but I wonder if you mean Ingoldmels rather than Skegness itself??

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 8:41 AM
Dave
Joined 10 Jun 2005
6 posts

Hi Gary - That is fantastic.

I shall try what you say, but my fear is the corrosion on the four burner/tank bolts. If they shear presumably they can be drilled and replaced with ordinary bolts? It would be difficult to remove the complete assembly as the internal seat framework is in the way.
Are new burner assemblies available for the Mk.1? Also, if I can repair it, it could do with a coat of paint. Can you reccommend any heat-resistant stuff? Is std. B&Q ok, or does it need to be something special?

By the way - this site/thread is fantastic. In all my years 'surfing' I have never come accross anything so usefull and specific to a need. And to be able to get straight advice from such knowledgable people just for the love of a common interest - well - 'refreshing' doesn't come close. Sorry for babbling.

I'll let you know how I get on. Dave


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13 June 2005, 1:54 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

"just for the love of a common interest"..err no not really but thanks for your kind words!!
You are right about the Elan though, you will need to free the bed box top enough to lift it about an inch or a little more for the heater to come out having first removed the red plastic 'Y' fork connection to the hot outlet.
The four bolts are ordinary with brass nuts 2x M5x20, 2x M5x25, they don't normally shear but the bolt is solid though the alloy casting and needs heat to free it. Once free you can run an 8mm drill though to clean the holes in the casting.
Paint should be any Acrylic semi Matt or Matt Black spray but not gloss as this will 'flash over' when you light the burner...not nice
As for spares for the Mk1, I have everything you might need
Gary
http://www.arcsystems.biz

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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 2:50 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Not got a manual but the operation is simple enough.
The slide control on the fire top is
Off,
Fan only and the back slide control sets the speed,
Electric convection only with max 1kw output
Electric slow fan with max 1kw output
Electric full fan with max 1.84kw output
On electric the slider at the back sets the temperature

Gas is auto ignition so turning the control knob to the spark position turns on the spark and pushing the knob down opens the gas valve.
If the flame lights the spark will stop and holding the valve down for several seconds will allow time for the thermocouple to warm and hold it open when you release. Once released the knob will continue to turn anti clockwise to light the main burner and increase the heat. The gas thermostat will then switch the main burner off and back on to maintain the set temperature.
You can use both electric and gas together for a total of 5.4kw of heat, 1.84kw electric and 3.6kw gas hence the model name '5500' for round figures.
The 4000 fanmaster is identical and works exactly the same so will provide the 5.4kw of heat...only the badge on the fire front varies....which must be rather annoying if anyone paid extra!!


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 3:15 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi Martin, I am getting mixed messages from what you write, It seems to work OK on electric but what is happening with the gas? and what has the battery got to do with it??...the battery only provides power to the 12 volt control on the gas side, it won't heat the water!!
Also what year is the van...1992 by any chance?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 5:10 PM
martinh1
Joined 12 Jun 2005
9 posts

The van is 1989
I think I have sorted the problem but thanks for getting back to me.
Is it right that the green light stays on all the time?
Also do you know of where I can but new taps?
Regards

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 5:35 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Yes the green stays on all the time, taps you can get at any good caravan dealer

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 5:48 PM
martinh1
Joined 12 Jun 2005
9 posts

Many thanks for you time Gary


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 June 2005, 9:56 PM
mark
Joined 13 Jun 2005
1 posts

hi i have got a (coachman) which has a carver in the first time i used the hot water it steam & boiling water came out from the vent outside & when i have gone to have a look at it the cold water supply pipe snapped off in my hand can you help or advise me as this is my first caravan its all new to me

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
14 June 2005, 0:20 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

If it has not put you off for life Mark I will endeavour to help!?
The problem with the plastic fittings leaking is common and not difficult or expensive to replace them but you will have to remove the outer flue cover to find out where the hot water was coming from first. The problem is it could be just the plastic causing the trouble or perhaps the burner is not shutting down properly and this will need to be investigated first.
Give me a ring tomorrow and I will tell you how
Gary
0115 9213175

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2005, 8:39 AM
eve
Joined 15 Jun 2005
2 posts

I live in Australia and have a Carver Cascade ll water heater installed in our caravan. We do not seem to be able to get more than a minute and a half of warm water in my shower. Is this normal or if not what can be done to fix this problem?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2005, 7:04 PM
uktony57
Joined 15 Jun 2005
2 posts

hi folks, hope you can help me,,i have a cascade 2 in my van,it all works fine but the ciramic on the igniter as cracked so it is arcing on to the body of the heater,can this be replaced or do i have to get another black box,,and how do i get the box out,,thanks...tony

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 June 2005, 8:30 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi Tony, The 'burner module' is not sold in bits, it may not seem reasonable but there is good reason.
I know from experience that if the ignitor is not in a precise position over the burner and although there is a spark and gas coming though, the thing won't light instantly and in fact can fail to light...or worse light with a big bang!!.
Apart from that many bits have been changed over the years and they are not away interchangeable...I can count 10 different models from 1985 to last year when they fiddled with it again.

To get the module out you remove the outer plastic cover and the flat alloy plate behind that. This will expose the burner and gas valve, the two cross head screws under the gas valve in the bottom right hand corner is all that holds it in. Once unscrewed the module will slide out and the electric connection from the control switch can then be pulled off.
If it does not want to come out then from inside the van squeezing the lid of the black box shut, (at the thick end), will allow the box to come though the hole and release the module.


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