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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 September 2008, 2:07 PM
 Edited by Susan 5 September 2008, 2:12 PM
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Susan
Joined 3 Feb 2004
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Hi
We have a water heater in the van which is the Carver Trumastore B0 model. We cannot get the control switch to light up at all, the power is from a Transformer and not a battery. All other 12v lights etc & pump are working. Does anyone have an Instruction Manual they would be willing to copy and email to me? Or any advice would be appreicated, thanks Sue Just found that the circuit board at the back of the control switch has burnt out behind the switch. Is it possible to get a replacemnet or have it repaired? Any idea of cost, need it urgently as selling the van.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 September 2008, 3:23 PM
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trevorbailey2003
Joined 5 Sep 2008
1 posts
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Hello, Does anyone know at what temperature the old "one shot" thermal fuses blows at on a 1995 Carver Fanmaster 3000S auto?
Many Thanks.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 September 2008, 11:15 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts
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Susan, I've fixed a few of these in my time, if you send it complete with lead, I'll sort it.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 September 2008, 11:20 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Trevor, it's between 220C and 240C but should be printed on it? I probably have a few originals I've removed upgrading to reset switches if you want one!! or you could have a reset switch kit?
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 September 2008, 12:03 PM
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Susan
Joined 3 Feb 2004
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Hi thanks for that. I tried to ring you this morning,but assume you don't work weekends,can't blame you.I'll ring you first thing Monday morning,we could bring it over to you as we're only at J28 of the M1. will speak to you Monday, cheers Sue
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 September 2008, 7:07 PM
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buz
Joined 3 Apr 2008
3 posts
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Hi Gary, finally rebuilt Gas module for Cascade 2 water heater. Solenoid now clicks and volts reads 10.3 also get sparks onto gas burner area. BUT still wouldn't fire up. Opened up gas pipe behind burner found some gunge/fluid - have cleaned and blown that out now. I tried seeing if I could push any air through when activating soleniod but couldn't. I also by-passed the blue/yellow wires and I get no spark and no click of solenoid. Have you come across this before? Is it possible that the fluid (no idea what it is or where it came from!) has messed up the inside of gas valve? Buz
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 12:00 PM
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Brian
Joined 15 May 2004
1 posts
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My cascade 2 has a small leak from the safety valve. i have heard that these valves are difficult to remove without causing damage. Any advice would be useful before I touch it. I have put a bit of fernox round the joint with electical tape to hold it as a temporary measure.brian
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 1:18 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Buz, this is why I sell serviced exchange units, it's all right suggesting a simple fix like giving the gas valve a tap but it's not for me to speculate on what's further wrong with yours, easier to supply a fresh one and worry about yours when I see it.The 'oil' though is from the gas bottle and builds up over time, it mainly effects the lower level appliances like the water heater. It's the same stuff that blocks post 2003 bulkhead mounted regulators and prevents gas going anywhere in the van
With the old bottle mounted regs it passes straight through, it's a good idea then to find a low spot in the pipework with a joint preferably, so you can open it and let any build up of oil drain out.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 1:20 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Brian, contact me direct, I'll sell you a new one complete with a help sheet so you know exactly how to change it
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 5:50 PM
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char
Joined 27 Aug 2008
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hi l have just purchased a eccles Elite Jade caravan with a caver 2 system for heating the water. Pleaseee can you help when we switch it on the green light comes on the about 30 sec later the red light comes on. We have checked the the water is full and the gas is on also all our fuses. When we turned the hot water tap on it splutted as though the pipes has a air lock but it still didnt get hot and the red light came on. Any ideas? Also we have a cassette toilet and the pump sounds as thought its working but its not rinsing at all with the pink solution we have checked all the fuses on that and also made sure there was water and the pink solution in the appropriate place agains any ideas on this also. Thanks Charlotte
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 8:02 PM
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POP LOVER
Joined 28 Aug 2008
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Gary, Fanmaster sorted! It was nothing technical whatsover as it turns out, just some stoopid old fool who didn't have a clue what he was doing! Errr, i'd rather not embarrass myself too much on here by saying what i did or should i say didn't do but it don't matter now 'cos it's up and running absolutely perfickly! Thanks a lot for your help all the same Gary, it is much appreciated.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 8:56 PM
Edited by gary 7 September 2008, 9:07 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Char, see how this helps;The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, it's to show low voltage and won't light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it 'flash' as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v immersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show it's 'on', not that it's working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have 'tripped' Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the 'Burner Module'. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong it's a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled 'fusible' plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because it's control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a 'toggle' showing that when turned a ΒΌ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 9:04 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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quote: "Errr, i'd rather not embarrass myself too much on here by saying what i did or should i say didn't do"By which I'd assume you didn't turn it on at the mains isolation switch?!! you wouldn't be the first... not by a long chalk LOL
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 10:43 PM
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char
Joined 27 Aug 2008
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thanks gary for your e-mail l will print it out and go through it all. Have to admit I have done muddy glastonburys in a tent then l was given a caravan and it was really old and it didnt have either hot water or cassette toilet but for the past neally three years has been wonderful to practice on and also see if l like caravaning, so even though l have learn't a bit about caravans this is going to teach me a bit more i.e never buy off e-bay, if l do insist on using there toilet and sit on the dam thing till it does flush. also insist on a hot shower. lol ahhhhhhhhhhhh and as far as embarrassing myself if you had seen me yesterday under this van and covered in mud you would probably say l was well pass the embarrassing state. Heading more into the suicidal stage. Thanks again for your reply
Charlotte
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 September 2008, 11:06 PM
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POP LOVER
Joined 28 Aug 2008
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Just between me and you Gary (i beg you not to tell anyone else), you know the slider switch on the fire itself, well would you believe i was convinced by sliding it to the left this would give the fan more heat, err no...sliding it to the right gives the maximaum amount of heat! Hence my problem in the first place...derrrr....Ah well, as i said it's all up and running perfectly now that's the main thing eh? You live and learn as they say gary. I feel such a prat asking you those dumb questions in the first place! All the best mate.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 September 2008, 11:00 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Charlotte, first I don't knock ebay... I make far to much money off people buying vans sight unseen off there LOL
Second though, I have a mate who sells vans on ebay, 'caravan-solutions' is the name of his shop, he's honest and makes a good honest living, so not all bad just as always buyer beware!Talking of you in the mud and showers and things people say..
I once went to one of those big horse boxes to get the hot water working for what turned out to be a very attractive lady called Jane. When I'd finished she stood high up in the horse box doorway and looking straight down into my eyes she said;
I can't thank you enough, when I get in that lovely hot shower I'll be thinking of you!!!!! Anyway back to the plot! not well up on cassette toilets but if the pumps running then I'd suspect one of the pipes inside have come off. You get access through the toilet roll holder which simply pulls out, now you can see some pipes and feel for where they go, they just push on, no clips. Good idea to go on Thetfords website where you'll find some useful diagrams and pictures
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 September 2008, 6:30 PM
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char
Joined 27 Aug 2008
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thanks gary the van is on a site miles away but will print off all your information and when l go up l am going to go through everything you have mentioned and if l mend my loo l will think of you everytime ( err no dont think l will go there hahah)
thanks char
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 September 2008, 11:01 PM
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elaine
Joined 9 Sep 2008
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I have a carver cascade 2 water system in my horse lorry. When i turn the tap on hot water comes out of the tap but there is smoke coming out the vent and hot water seems to be leaking from the water tank, lots of it. also when i use the cold tap water is leaking from the tank. i am presuming that the cold water comes through the water heating system as well ( please correct me if im wrong) can anyone help me with this, forgive my ignorance this is my first time with a heating system.
thanks Elaine
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 September 2008, 11:20 PM
Edited by wynthesurfer 10 September 2008, 0:12 AM
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wynthesurfer
Joined 8 May 2007
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With regard to one of your last posts this one is a definate for you Gary !!!!
PS do you need an apprentice ?.
Wyn.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 September 2008, 11:14 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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I know what you mean Wyn the answers only come from one source! an apprentice then might be a good idea lolSo to Elaine, smoke/soot is easy, your gas burner is blocked and or corroded and needs cleaning/replacing. Water leaks will appear when the pumps run as it pressurises the whole system, where exactly it's actually leaking from on the heater determines how difficult or easy to fix
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