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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
4 November 2008, 10:53 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Barthy, the problem is your 'burner module' is trying to light but is failing either to light or lighting but the electronics not recognising the flame is lit.
Solution is generally to swap the module for a new one or serviced exchange from me.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 November 2008, 0:37 AM
Kowhai
Joined 28 Oct 2008
6 posts

electronics not recognising the flame is lit.
Where is the sensor for the flame?
Regards Kowhai

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 November 2008, 1:28 AM
barthy boy
Joined 2 Nov 2008
4 posts

thanks gary how much are your exchange modules barthy boy

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 November 2008, 2:58 AM
Kowhai
Joined 28 Oct 2008
6 posts

where do you find the electronic flame sensor?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 November 2008, 11:42 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Barthy, contact me direct for costs etc.

As for the other question, the flame sensor is the electrode over the burner, this gives a spark 50 times a second and recognises the flames is lit, or not, in the troughs between the sparks.
The spark generator and flame recognition circuit are integrated together on the pcb, it's the bit to the left!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 November 2008, 2:07 PM
salty
Joined 4 Nov 2008
3 posts

Hi Gary yes there is two fused switches by the side of the bed one for the hot water and one for the fire both have 10a fuses in them.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 November 2008, 10:03 AM
-  Edited by gary 6 November 2008, 10:07 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Well straight away your 98/99/2000 water heater should be fused at 5A, before 97 at 3A so that's wrong!!

Don't understand the fires fuse blowing though, it runs at 8 amps so should be no problem.
If an element was shorting to earth it would cause the fuse to blow instantly but the vans RCD would react even faster and trip out first.

It's a guess then but I'm thinking the fuse holder in the switch is loose, this could cause overheating which would take sometime before the fuse blows

One other guess is 5A and 10A fuses are both black, not got them mixed up have you??




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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 November 2008, 1:54 PM
salty
Joined 4 Nov 2008
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Hi Gary. I havent changed any of the fuses apart from putting back like for like the previous owner may have. I will fit a new fused switch and see if thats any better. I did ask in the local caravan sales and they thought it could be the heating element in the fire going over its set temperature. I will change the fuses to the ones you suggested. thanks.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
14 November 2008, 7:20 PM
jowle
Joined 14 Nov 2008
1 posts

hi my dad has just bought an avondale dart caravan with a cascade carver 2 water heater in... everything on the electric side works fine....
but the water heater doesnt work on gas,,, when turned on ... the green lights comes on,, clicking can be heard,, then red light come on.
.. also whilst it is clicking heat can be felt coming through vent..so.
we have taken cover off and plate to acess burner... and have cleaned burner... and have tested burner whilst covers off...
and it lights ,,stays alite ,whilst 10 ignition ends then goes off ...
can you shine light on this problem ... we think its something electrical???
craig

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
14 November 2008, 9:59 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Craig, first is the flame bright blue and purposeful looking? if it's yellow and candle like then the burners either badly corroded or a spiders climbed inside and made a nest!
If the flames blue then the problem is electronic, the correct flame is obviously lighting but the electronics don't recognise it's lit.

Damp can cause this so first thing I would do is remove the burner module, open black box and place in airing cupboard overnight, if it still does not work correctly, it will need repairing/replacing.




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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 November 2008, 1:13 PM
DEG
Joined 17 Nov 2008
2 posts

I have a Bailey Pageant built 92 with a carver 3000 . I want to know if I can fit the fanmaster to it or the Truma Ultraheat unit for electric heating . I read that the Carver 3000 was a rebadged Truma SL3002 .
Which would be the better unit to fit.

DEG


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 November 2008, 2:09 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Either is the answer, the Fanmaster would be easier perhaps.
The Ultraheat is more complicated to fit but has the singular advantage of being able to run on low settings without the fan, the Fanmaster must always have the fan running.

I can supply either, second hand but overhauled and with a 12 month warranty.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
18 November 2008, 1:18 PM
DEG
Joined 17 Nov 2008
2 posts

Please could you give me a price for both systems as I can then make a choice .

Thank you .

DEG


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
18 November 2008, 1:21 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Yes Deg, if you email or ring direct I'll give you some prices.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 November 2008, 5:41 PM
firegard
Joined 24 Mar 2008
11 posts

hi garry think i have a problem with my burner modual had problems with it last year but they fixt them selfs for a bit . i have a compass reflection 93 with a cascade 2 water heater. green light comes on then the red but there is no tickin to be heard had the modual out and given it a look over all seems to be ok can you sugest if its worth eny more investigation if not do you service or sell parts thanks


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 November 2008, 5:26 PM
streeton
Joined 23 Nov 2008
2 posts

hi there i have just purchased an abbey spectrum fitted with a trumar s 3002 the automatic ignitor stays on all the time when the fire is lit ? also i cannot get the electric heating to work when i turn it on i can hear a click from the fire but nothing happens i hope you can help please thanks mike

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 November 2008, 10:16 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Firegard, don't fully understand what your saying so can you ring me?

Does sound as though the burner module needs looking at


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 November 2008, 10:37 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Mike, what year is it? also when the ignition continues after flame is lit, does it change sound, (erratic ticking), or stay the same?

Sometimes this fault does happen with the electronic ignition, the problem is generally an electronic fault which means it does not recognise the flames lit, solution is either replace module or remove battery.
Or the signal is not getting to the module, poor connection of the ignition lead or shorting to earth

If the sound becomes erratic then it's a bad earth connection on one of the two wires going to the gas valve.

The electric sides problem is either, a faulty pcb control board, ie faulty relays, clicking does not prove electricity is passing.
Or, there are two small thermostats, one or other of these can be faulty which shuts of the 240v to the elements.
You can see the back of these stats behind the flue pipe of the gas fire, not easy to get at though


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
27 November 2008, 3:10 PM
streeton
Joined 23 Nov 2008
2 posts

hi there gary thanks for the reply the spectrum is a 2001 model when the fire is lit the ticking does not change sound it stays the same i will check the earth lead if not how much is a new module from you ? also on the electric side you say there are two thermostats are they held in dy screws or thredded in ? thanks mike

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
30 November 2008, 4:05 PM
Rob724
Joined 19 Aug 2006
14 posts

This has probably been asked before but with so many messages I am not sure I will find the answer.


Is it possible to upgrade a cascade 2 water heater to operate on 240v as well as gas (making it effectively the GE version) by adding the electric heater element (and presumably tank) from the electric-only version?

If you can then what do I need to do as i have both a gas version and an electric version (but not on the same heater).

Thanks


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