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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 February 2009, 3:58 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Hello Aldridge, can I start by asking you a question?...who is this bloke 'anyone'!!!
He's never been on here let alone answered a question so why do people keep asking his advice???? LOLAnyway if you want an answer it's you've no chance of the smaller 630w element, least not a new one. The later 850w element has not been available for nearly 2yrs and so as scarce as Hens teeth, It is though available if you can track one down and will fit with very little filing of the big hole in the tank required, the elements bolt holes also need to be slotted slightly so they line up with the tanks bolt holes. As it happens I've got two available, however as I'm away now I can't help you until the 16th of March
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 February 2009, 10:31 PM
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Aldridge
Joined 10 Feb 2009
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many thanks gary for your quick reply & advice.
unfortunatly i did need before 16th march, can obtain a 930w & have been told with some filing will fit, would appreciate your opinion if you think this would be possible.
regards Tony Aldridge.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 February 2009, 8:55 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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If indeed it's 930w then it's a 'Henry' element, this is th Chinese copy of the Cascade.Yes it will fit as it should be the same size as the 830w carver element, however there is another problem.
This is, the current drawn by 930w is two much for the element thermostats to cope with on their own, originally this element used the thermostats to switch a relay that took the load of the thermostats, you will then need that and associated wiring as well. Without the relay the likely hood is the thermostats will be overloaded and fail, not sure how long this might take or if indeed it presents a fire hazard!! For identification, the later Truma supplied Cascade elements that you might find at a dealers are unpainted aluminium, bare in mind also these used a relay but did manage just without.
Henry ones will be deep red or perhaps a similar tan colour to your old one but a lighter shade. Finally, do check the resistance between the two pins of your old element, this should be 84 ohms, (64 ohms for the 850w), if it is then the elements ok and you only need a new thermostat
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 February 2009, 4:12 PM
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rich_d
Joined 12 Feb 2009
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Hi i am new to this group, but it looks like the place I need to be!I have a 1997 Carver Cascade 2 and have just installed a new burner module and the old one (dated 1997) stopped working on gas, it lit, but wouldn't stay lit, with the burner going out ans the red light coming on. The new burner worked for about 30 mins and now wont stay alight just like the old one! Anyone know what the problem might be? Very best wishes Richard
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 February 2009, 10:47 PM
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Susan
Joined 3 Feb 2004
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Hi I have a Carver Cascade 2 Water Heater and have a problem getting it to light. The green light comes on on it's own and you can hear the ticking of the ignitor, but it fails to light. No other lights come on to say it has failed, so is it a gas problem getting to the heater? Have checked the pipes underneath and doesn't appear to be any leaks,any ideas? Thanks Sue
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 February 2009, 10:56 PM
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Aldridge
Joined 10 Feb 2009
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hi gary many thanks for prompt reply. i think i should explain my problem from the beginning - the water heater heats on the mains electricity ok but the thermal cut out reset cuts in, then i push reset & it repeats the same process, so i think it may be the thermostat that's at fault but did not no whether u could purchase this separately. i have no means of checking the resistance on the element, no other fuses or trip switches have been activated when the thermal cut out cuts in, so all im doing at the moment is constantly pushing the reset button to obtain hot water.
if you could supply a thermostat what would the cost be? or alternatively the 830w element, does it come with thermostat & thermal cut out as one unit? & what would the cost be? & how soon after your break would i recieve it?
thank you for your advice on the 930w, i think i will give that one a miss.
i really appreciate your advice as i have been trying to solve this problem for quite a while.
many thanks Tony Aldridge.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
13 February 2009, 8:45 AM
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orangeearth536
Joined 20 Oct 2008
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susan ,
i had the same problem with mine wouldnt light, turned out it was the fire box behind the outer cover was rusty and needed replaceing cost me around £100
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 February 2009, 5:08 PM
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PeaJay
Joined 7 Oct 2008
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Hi all, I've just tried to log on to Gary's website, my antivirus tells me IT'S INFECTED - BEWARE.
Peajay
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 February 2009, 9:26 PM
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edwar983
Joined 14 May 2008
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hi all i wonder if anyone can help we have the cascade 2 in our avondale sandmartin when we turn the main gas supply on at the front of the caravan, and have a look at the outside of the boiler as we have removed the plastic cowl, so we can see the igintor box, so as i say when we turn the main gas supply on we can hear gas and smell gas coming out of the gas feed nozzle, so could anyone tell me or know what this means please any help is better than anything as at the moment we have capped the gas from going to the boiler.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 February 2009, 11:27 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Richard, sorry to be slow getting back but I'm away and anyone is never about when you need him!Frankly though I'm not at all sure why your new module has failed? more to the point if it's connected to why the old one failed.
The only connection I can think of is a water leak that will easily cause this fault if it gets inside the black box, try removing the module and see if any water comes out? if not still leave it somewhere warm overnight and then try it. Don't though open the black box or otherwise disturb the seal, if it's still dud then the solution will be to take the new one back and have them test it, if they can't get it to work then they should replace it
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 February 2009, 11:49 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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In answer to Peejay, my website is indeed infected, it would seem some misguided soul with a passion for stray dogs has over written the front page with a long list of links to dogs homes???.Being away I'm not in much of a position or frame of mind for that matter! to do anything about it other than make it safe.
With that in mind I've closed the site and redirected anyone who does try, onto this site and this particular forum thread. To avoid the inevitable confusion that would cause going round in circles on here!! I've also removed the website link in my signature, this leaves just the email address which is perfectly safe That should I hope keep things ticking over until I get back
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17 February 2009, 11:55 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Back to business, Tony A, your problem is the automatic normal temp stat is permanently stuck closed so it's working on the manual overtemp stat. Solution then is simply to replace the normal stat, I have them in stock if you don't find one before my return
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 February 2009, 12:04 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Susan, someones has suggested one possibility but it's one of many and too many to guess at. I can say theres a problem with both your 'burner module' and quite possibly the control switch also.Solution is to get a professional to look at it, if you say what area your from I should hopefully be able to suggest someone
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 February 2009, 12:15 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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edwar, your problem is rare but the electronic gas valve is stuck open. Solution is to replace the whole 'burner module' this is a straight forward job taking a few minutes, only problem being I'm away so cannot supply a serviced exchange module until my return, that leaves an expensive new one if your in a hurry?
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 February 2009, 8:57 PM
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Gar
Joined 17 Feb 2009
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I have a carver fanmaster 4000 which doesn't work on gas anymore, i want to buy a whole new unit, where is the best place to look. The unit i have at the moment is out of a 1999 Lunar solar eclipse and am looking for a direct replacement.
Please help
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
18 February 2009, 5:25 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Gar, I might have a new gas fire unit to fit into a 4000 but I have to ask why?
The gas valve and burner are the only two working parts that would need replacing and I have those, but my question is whats the real problem??
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
18 February 2009, 10:20 PM
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Gar
Joined 17 Feb 2009
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i think it's the thermal coupler, i bought a universal one to change it but we've had trouble getting to the old one to replace it, the fire works on electric but on gas keeps going out.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
19 February 2009, 6:30 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Gar, a universal should do the job but a standard 7 inch Truma thermocouple to fit a Truma 3002 fire fits exactly.Getting the screws out at the bottom is not easy, which one/s is causing the problem?
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
20 February 2009, 10:43 PM
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dale_hopkinson
Joined 15 Sep 2008
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Hi Gary. I am looking for a replacement mk1 carver cascade due to my faulty control panel. I have found a full unit on ebay which looks identical. However the control pannel is smaller, with what looks like a timer dial and a single button / light. My control panel has 3 lights, a temp knob and a power switch. Do you possibly know if these are interchangeable? Thanks very much
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 February 2009, 4:42 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Dale, all types are interchangeable, the switch you have is a mk1 'a' or 'b', these three light switches are followed by the single light mk2 which you really don't want, the mk2a which is ok as well as the mk3.There is a mk4 which was only for the caravelle gas fire so won't work with the Cascade, as won't the others if their marked for Caravelle use, the reason being they work in a different temperature range. Got to ask though why? I fix switches?
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