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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 February 2009, 9:32 AM
rich_d
Joined 12 Feb 2009
2 posts

Hi Gary

Thanks for the reply. I am back from holiday now. I sent the module back to the seller and received a replacement which worked perfectly! I did notice that with the first unit (after seeing the second) that it had a test label stuck over possibly an older one) it also had more gas 'pattination' that the replacement unit, (I just assumed this fas from factory testing at the time) All this has perhaps led me to believe it wasn't completely 'new' I have the initial unit I removed from the heater. It will need the electronics looking at and a replacement 'flame box', as the other is a bit rusty. How much would refurbishment cost, as it would be nice to have a spare?

Very best wishes

Richard


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 February 2009, 5:20 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi Rich, from what you say the first was not new, Carver, now Truma don't stick labels on top of others?!
What they both did if they serviced a module was replace the label with a different one, often with a hand written number after 'REC' at the top of the label.

So it would be interesting to know where you got it from, (Cornwall perhaps?) and if you email me that I'll reply with a price for one of mine.



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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 February 2009, 12:16 PM
searcherthelurcher
Joined 28 Sep 2008
17 posts

hi all, just been in my van to clean it and my water heater just blew up , the tie rod that goes through the middle has corroded and and come away from the burner unit , was working fine , is there any pressure build up in the tank to cause it to go bang if the rod has nearly gone through ? this works on gas and elec , i see on ebay there is a replacement rod for sale , any body had this one before , cheers andy

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 February 2009, 12:29 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

The tie rod snapping is very common, the cause is corrosion if the protective coating is damaged, a common cause of this is travelling with the water tank full, which will 'flex' the rod and crack the coating.

Tie rods and seal kits are available but getting the old bit out can be difficult, great care and the right tools are important or further damage will be done.

Further, if the tanks had water left in and this has frozen? then this is another reason for a weakened tie rod to finally snap, but, also in this case, the area around the small hole in the tank will be distorted and require straightening or the tank will refuse to reseal.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 February 2009, 3:53 PM
searcherthelurcher
Joined 28 Sep 2008
17 posts

hi gary , i think im gonna need a replacement , burner doesnt look to good and yep its a bit of a ******** to get out , just as you looking forward to going out something goes wrong you know the feeling, seen some on ebay, just have to fork out , cheers andy


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
22 February 2009, 4:54 PM
Flannigan
Joined 21 Feb 2009
1 posts

Hi Gary,

Ive got a 1997 Bailey Ranger 440/4 which I'm selling to in-laws.

I need to repair the above space heater.

The gas setting has never worked, but since we normally use electrics on site, its never been a problem.

The electric fan works but it seems that the heat has stopped (it begin working again nvery briefly today, but has since cut out again).

For info, the water heater works fine also (I'm not sure if this is relevant).

Is this something that can be sorted easily at home if I'm prety handy?


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 February 2009, 8:39 AM
frank
Joined 4 Aug 2008
3 posts

Hi Gary.I bought a peugeot boxer suntor 1996 with a cascade ge last november.As a first timer to motorhomes etc didnt realise to drain the water system over winter and on taking the van out at the weekend the unit appears to have burst,water pouring out from around the electrics area and causing the ecbs to trip.Is the unit repairable or do i just throw money at it and by a replacement.If so what is on the market, the Henry maybe.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 February 2009, 12:10 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi Frank and don’t panic! no need to buy a new Henry

The elements bolt heads inside the tank have corroded, this releases pressure on the rubber seal and it leaks, this is very common and fairly easy to fix.

Should nothing else be wrong, (ie, proper frost damage), you can buy a new GE tank seal kit from me.

This also applies to thinking of buying off ebay, what do you think you getting? one that could be weeks away from the same condition yours is in quite probably?

Answer is alway to repair or have repaired what you have and be sure then it will last many years without problem.





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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 February 2009, 4:48 PM
Joe
Joined 22 Jun 2008
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Hi I have been reading with interest regarding leaking water heaters, I have just removed my water heater altogether and one of the bolts that secure the heater element have corroded off completely leaving a hole were the bolt was. My question is can this be fixed? If not were can I buy a new one not to sure about buying second hand thanks Joe It?s a Cascade Rapid GE



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23 February 2009, 5:21 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Joe, read my reply to Frank above, same problem same solution!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 February 2009, 6:56 PM
Joe
Joined 22 Jun 2008
5 posts

Thanks Gary can you supply new bolts and seals for all thanks for quick responce cheers Joe

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 February 2009, 2:02 PM
frank
Joined 4 Aug 2008
3 posts

Hi Gary
Ive taken the element out of the unit and everything appears quite un-corroded and clean,one of the bolts was solid in the hole and one pushes through.There was a small rubber gasket/sealer around the element but that appears to be all.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 February 2009, 9:13 PM
peter
Joined 24 Feb 2009
7 posts

Truma Ultraheat 3002
24 February 2009, 4:50 PM peter
Joined 24 Feb 2009
1 posts


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
New member looking for advice.
Fan only runs at slow speed in either manual or auto mode.

Fitted new fan switch as original was loose and wobbly, but no improvement. Used to be able to wobble the switch to get the fan to run fast, which is why I thought this was the problem. Does anything else control the speed of the fan.

Thanks in anticipation.
Peter


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 February 2009, 11:49 PM
Deb3km
Joined 24 Feb 2009
2 posts

I have two questions that I am hoping someone can answer for us
We own a Bessacar van that is fitted with a Carver water heater and a carver 3000S fanmaster/gas heater.

First thing is that the water heater leaks when its first filled quite badly but once its been moped up it runs ok... Heats water and re-fills with no leaking after that. What is causeing it to leak in first place and how can we stop it happening again?

Secondly the fanmaster has died on us. it started to make funny noises and got slower and slower. Now it wont run at all even though there is power to it. My partner has got it out in the hope of repairing or replaceing but we dont seem to be able to get parts for it or even a new unit.

We dont want to have to pay out for a complete heating a nd water system as we dont have the money.

can anyone help us with these two problems?

We look forward to any help.. Thank you :-)

Deborah x


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 10:48 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Frank and Joe, I have seal kits but can;t obviously help until my return


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 11:14 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Debs, your Bessacarr will I think be a 94 or early 95 model, these are the years that fire was fitted and 95 was the first time the Fanmaster was fitted in production.

The Fanmaster has indeed died and it's directly related to it's age and that fan being noisy and slow running. The motor is worn out and has overloaded the control board which in turn as burnt out.
Control boards are available as are motors, but, I can overhaul it and send it back cheaper that you just buying the bits... and give you a 12 month warranty!!, you can email me direct for prices

The water heater is an odd one, what you say does not add up? Generally the leak gets worse as the water heats up and pressure inside increases.
All I can think of is the tank to heat exchanger seal near the wall is leaking and somehow the pressure is sealing it once it warms up

To test, remove the insulation and try and rock the tank side to side and/or up and down, it should be solid and not able to move on the heat exchanger


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 11:27 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Peter, how did you know I now do Truma stuff?

However this has me a bit baffled, there is another control pcb inside the fan housing that controls voltage and therefore speed but if anything I'd expect that to kill the fan rather than let it run slowly.
Also, wiggling your old switch could not have made the pcb do anything.

So to my mind the problem is the connection loom between, it simply plugs in both ends so make sure both are on fully in and tight.

One other possibility is the connections on the pcb, maybe one of these is damaged, it's under the black plastic box on the fan housing so you'll need to remove to possibly 'Torx' screws to get at it


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 12:08 PM
peter
Joined 24 Feb 2009
7 posts

Hi Gary,

Thanks for your reply. I will look at what you have suggested, and get back to you.

Just assumed you did truma appliances, from seeing all your responses on this and the PCMag forums.

Thanks again,

Peter.


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 1:21 PM
Deb3km
Joined 24 Feb 2009
2 posts

Thats great Gary...
I have emailed you for the details.

Deb x


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 February 2009, 2:44 PM
Joe
Joined 22 Jun 2008
5 posts

cheers dude let me know how to pay and order I live in notts if that helps?? cheers

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