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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 March 2009, 10:16 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Jim, how old is the van? what type of control switch does it use? press button or up/down switch, does the green light on the switch work?

I'm guessing the gas valve has stuck down over winter and this has popped the 1A fuse, depends which switch you have as to where you will find the fuse.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 March 2009, 10:29 AM
jim1763
Joined 24 Mar 2009
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hi gary it is a 1993 and it has a swith that goes up and down when you put it on i think it is a red and green light that comes on .

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 March 2009, 3:10 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Jim, are you saying the green and red come on together?

or the red follows the green after about 10 seconds?

Either way it's a fault with the burner module which will need replacing


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 March 2009, 6:43 PM
Nicky C
Joined 17 Mar 2009
1 posts

Hi, we recently bought a Swift Challenger 1991 & went away for a few days coming back today. When packing up this morning my boyfriend noticed that there was water coming form the cowl on the Carver Cascade water heater. Don't know if this was like it all weekend as only noticed it when packing up. Everything was working fine while on site.... Any ideas??? Also we have a Carver 3000 heater that lights but there is no heat coming from it..... Help

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
26 March 2009, 4:40 PM
HELP !
Joined 26 Mar 2009
1 posts

Hi
There i have a carver cascade2 water heater which will not ignite and fire up when you slide the switch the igniter sparks once ( and as soon as you slide the switch green and red come stright on together with NO delay can anybody HELP !


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
27 March 2009, 8:03 AM
john
Joined 27 Mar 2009
1 posts

my carver cascade Mk2 is not heating the water although the control unit is lit to say everything is ok, we have good water volume coming out of both taps. any ideas what the problem may be?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
27 March 2009, 9:02 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Nicky, your water heater has a pressure relief valve top left behind the plastic flue cover outside, I expect you will find this is cracked at it's base and snap of completely with the slightest touch.
Solution is to replace the valve, only problem is how?! so when you buy the bit from me I supply a help sheet to show exactly how in pictures.

Your fire is lighting on the pilot light but the main burner is not kicking in, cause is the piston within the valve is sticking and staying down when you release the control knob.
Solution is to service or replace the valve, not a DIY job though and don't even think to spray it with WD40!!

Contact direct for details


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
27 March 2009, 9:32 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Hi HELP! your problem is simple to solve, the red coming on with the green means the timer for the start cycle has reduced to zero seconds. This also dates your 'burner module' to late 91 through to late 92, nothing you can do but replace it.

This could also apply to you Jim hence my question, if however green is lit on own? then it's possibly a control switch fault and this fault may also apply to you John.

Not bad that? three questions answered in one!!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
28 March 2009, 8:15 PM
tony
Joined 28 Mar 2009
3 posts

Hi Gary, just picked up my motorhome from storage & found Carver heater damaged by frost (i forgot to drain it before harsh winter) I have repaired the central long connector which had snapped, the control module was wet but i dried/ cleaned & reassembled, to my serprise it fired up first go supplying plenty of hot water. However I left it whilst doing a few other items then heard a gush as water poured out of the wax safety valve, I guess it over heated,what would cause this & how will I replace as I cannot seen to find this spare n any web sites, Thanks

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 3:16 PM
Bob
Joined 29 Mar 2009
2 posts

Gary, I tried to email you but no luck.
I have a Fleetwood Colchester caravan with Carver Cascade 2 GE installed. It has given good service but has developed a small split underneath the water tank about 1" x 1/4". Can it be repaired? I believe that new tanks are not available. Second problem is that, although I replaced an element some years ago, I can't remember how to remove the tank from the heater. I am sure that this has been dealt with in the forum before but I have looked at so many postings that my brain hurts! Can you help?

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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 8:03 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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If the tank was full and truely damaged by all the water freezing then first, I'd be very suprised if the back of the tank was not distorted which would have prevented you sealing it after replacing the tie rod.

Does the tank 'rock' at all on the heat exchanger or is it solid and unable to move on the heat exchanger?
I ask as it's just as likely for the tie rod to snap without any help from frost!

Now the alledged overheating, if indeed the water did freeze then this will quite probably weaken the plastic stem of the fusible plug, beyond that you may have caught it while doing the repairs with the same result.
First thing to do then is unscrew it and find out if indeed the ends snapped off or it's intact with a hole where the 'wax' plug should be?

If snapped then simply replace, if though the heater has actually overheated, this means the water getting in the module has done more harm than you'd hoped and will need replacing.

Fusible plugs are now very hard to find, I have them though!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 8:12 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Hi Bob, new tanks are unavailable but I've developed a method of repairing them that should last as long as a new one would.

To remove the tank you first need to remove the plastic box that houses the electric element you replaced, underneath you will find the nut and collar that holds the tank on to the tie rod.

Don't know why your email failed to arrive, nothing wrong this end?, theres another email link below if you want to try again


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 9:29 PM
tony
Joined 28 Mar 2009
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 9:36 PM
tony
Joined 28 Mar 2009
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Hi gary, thanks very much for your prompt response. I dont think the tank has distorted as it has completely sealed ok, perhaps the rod just broke as you suggest.
I removed the fusable link, there is just a hole where I presume the wax element should be. As a test I blocked this hole with a self tapping screw & fired up heater, after 20 mins the water from the tap in the van is boiling & if left longer the pressure relief valve opens, so its def overheating. I dont know if there is a temp control stat or if as you say the control module is faulty (how does the module know the water temp?) I will reclean control unit PCB tomorrow, if no good perhaps you can provide a replacement. Thanks again Tony

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 10:35 PM
Bob
Joined 29 Mar 2009
2 posts

Gary

Thanks very much for getting back to me so quickly. I will take off the tank as soon as I can, it would probably be best to contact you by phone for more details.



ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
29 March 2009, 10:36 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

No doubt it needs a replacement module then, the temp sensor is a blue/black bead in a plastic bracket on top of the gas valve, this will be ok it's the electronics it's connected too at fault and unlikely to respond to cleaning.
Contact direct for details/prices of my serviced exchange module


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
1 April 2009, 11:06 PM
woodvale
Joined 27 Apr 2008
70 posts

NOT SURE IF IN PROPER SECTION,,, SORRY IF NOT
i have just bought a caravan with the fanmaster 4000 fitted..
the controls all seem to be working but there seems to be no difference in the heat output on the 1kw and 2kw settings on the slide. On the 2kw setting the fan speeds up but the heat does not SEEM to do so.
I had this exact same heater in a van over a year ago and from memory i thought it should be warmer but cannot be sure.
Can anyone suggest a way of testing if all is ok or is there a common fault that would explain this.
P.S when i move to the 2kw from the 1kw there is another small click like a relay kicking in but would this happen anyway if the 2kw element is not working??
or is it possible for an element to be working on reduced output??
p.p.s
also if i needed a new element is there two seperate or one double element and HOW MUCH are they....
sorry for all the questions but wanted to cover my concerns

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
1 April 2009, 11:16 PM
-  Edited by woodvale 1 April 2009, 11:21 PM
woodvale
Joined 27 Apr 2008
70 posts

i have noticed that the second led on the switch does not light up...is this a problem.
that function seems to be working

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
2 April 2009, 0:33 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi, the relay is clicking so trying to switch the element on, so it does seem that one element has gone down leaving you with just one 1kw element.
The elements connections are behind the gas control rod on the right side of the gas heater, it's a long slim box held by a screw at the bottom. Once you have the cover off, you can check the resistance across the pins of each element, as ones working then it's simple enough to check you have the same resistance on both, about 60 ohms. One I think you will find is dead.
New ones are currently akin to hens teeth? I've got one!
However I've also found an overseas manufacturer who's in the process of quoting for supplying fresh stock, it will though be later in the season before I have them.


As regards the electric heating without fan setting, this is the 1kw element on it's own so will work the same as with slow fan, the LED not lighting means the slide switch is about to pack up all together, or the hole your looking through is full of muck!!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
2 April 2009, 2:49 PM
sandy
Joined 1 Apr 2009
4 posts

Hi,
I have recently purchased an Elddis Vogue Cyclone fitted with a Carver
Fan master, the red led on the main switch illumnates but none of the
5 led on the fanmaster control illuminate. The fuse behind the control switch seems to OK, any ideas.

Sandy


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