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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
1 June 2009, 11:00 PM
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Rob724
Joined 19 Aug 2006
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Gary,Thanks for the heating element info, I will test them and see what I get. If it proves to be defective, is it easy to replace, would I need new seals as well as a new element and is it something you can supply? I believe I have the 630w element as the end cover states 3 Amp. Reading some of the previous posts am I right in assuming you can fit the 850w element with some re-working. Is it worth changing to the bigger element (apart from the obvious faster heating time) and is the re-work easy enough to do? The switch question was just pre-empting me thinking my switch was broken but it was my burner module (swapped with one I had in another heater).
Many thanks,
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1 June 2009, 11:46 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Just pray it ain't the element and just a faulty thermostat, I've got new stats but new elements of either sort are now scarcer than Hens teeth!
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
2 June 2009, 5:45 PM
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jimdogs
Joined 2 Jun 2009
1 posts
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hi can you help my carver heater, the switch on top will not go off the fan runs all the time and drains the battery do I just need a new switch , if so where will I get one and how much cheers jim
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
3 June 2009, 8:31 PM
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Glynn1952
Joined 31 May 2009
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the quick response. I would prefer to purchase the part from you since you have been so helpful, but as I mentioned the van is in France so I can't return the old part immediately.
You don't mention the cost of a service exchange module, but would it be possible to pay full price up front and return the old part to you later for a partial refund? Hope this makes sense!
I assume that these are fairly easy to fit for a competent DIYer.Thanks again, Glynn
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
3 June 2009, 10:35 PM
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rich and sarah
Joined 18 May 2009
5 posts
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hi gary , i have stripped down my carver and fixed the blockage thanks to you the only problem i have now is water coming out of the back were the element is its coming out from round washer with a dome cut out of it ...........? i have put a rubber washer on first then the round washer with a dome cut out then the nut tightened it up and the leak stopped put it back in van and fired it up on 240 it works fine ......is this ok or should there be a something else in there ????? your help would be great .
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
4 June 2009, 9:27 AM
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Steve
Joined 4 Jun 2009
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Hi,
I have a Cascade Water Heater fitted to my Dalesman Caravan. The heater has a 1996 date on it, but the caravan is 1998.
Generally the heater has given excellent service, but it now has a fault.
The hot water drains back into the cold water "drum" outside the caravan. This happens to the extent that the "cold" water becomes hot!
Is there a one way valve in the system that needs replacing?
Steve
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4 June 2009, 3:17 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Jim, depends on the Fanmaster but I think you have a mk1 with wall switch? If so it ain't the switch at fault but the main control board within the Fanmaster and the fan motor has caused it.
I can supply a new motor and repair your board, or I can fully overhaul the whole Fanmaster and send it back with 12month warranty for very little more.
Contact direct for details please
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4 June 2009, 3:19 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Hi Glynn and thank you, as above please contact direct for the 'how'
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4 June 2009, 3:22 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Rich, tank first followed by 'o' ring, then collar with chamfer facing down and the nut last, tighten only until 'o' ring compressed by the chamfer and the collar touches the tank firmly
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4 June 2009, 3:27 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Steve, the non-return valve is part of the black plastic cold water inlet fitting to the water heater, replacement will cure it or perchance a white plastic fitting? it may clean up and re-seat.Depending on the make and type of water inlet to the van, you should also have a valve in the hose spigot of this?
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4 June 2009, 10:59 PM
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andrewcrofts
Joined 28 May 2009
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Hello again, I have another water based problem! My camper has a Cascade 2GE water heater fitted. I can get hot water when the camper is connected to the 240v mains via the electric emmersion heater and all is well, but it refuses to fire up on the 12v and gas. The control panel shows a constant green and amber light when switched on, and the fuses inside are in tact. I have tried draining the system to get all the air out, but it refuses it even try and ignite. The ignition is not even 'clicking'. The 12v battery is showing the 'low' light on the zig control unit when the check button is pressed, and i did not know if there may be an over ride circuit for low battery situations? Is there a re-set button any where which i am missing? I have had the cover off of the outside and all seems in order, and had a look under the seat at the water conections and again, all seems fine. Has the unit given up the ghost, or is it repairable?
Thanks
Andy.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 June 2009, 0:01 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Andy, the yellow light on the Cascade switch means low voltage which confirms what the Zig is saying, however, the cascade is set to come on below 10.3v so unless it is? then something else is causing it.Assuming the battery voltage is higher? then the most likely problem is a bad earth connection, first place to look is the fuse holders in the switch.
If one end of a fuse is loose then that will cause it. Also, don't assume because the fuse wire is intact the fuse is ok, check it with a meter
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6 June 2009, 6:11 PM
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andrewcrofts
Joined 28 May 2009
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Gary, thanks for that. I tested the battery voltage and it was down to 7.6 volts!! this was after a 300 mile round trip to whitby!! some thing was a miss some where so i had a look at the system from the battery back. found a blown fuse from the van battery to the liesure battery so it had not been charging! i replaced the fuse and fired up the engine, tried to light the water heater, and viola!!! hot water in a couple of min's!! I dont know what has caused the fuse to blow, need to check that one out. I will keep an eye on it to see if it stay's ok and intact. I plan on relpaceing the connection to the battery whith the fuse holder on, as this was a little 'iffy' and not %100 insulated, which could have caused a short on to the bonet as it's quite high up (i hope it''s this simple!) Every thing else is working fine.
I dont think the camper has a seperate battery charger fitted for when it's plugged into the 240v. I have looked all over the place and cant see one or any fuses for one. Not a problem though, if the liesure battery will charge when the engine is running that should keep it topped up, or if we plan on staying on a site for longer than a couple of days, i will get hook up and buy a mains charger from hellfords and plug it in!
Thanks for the advice, the site continues to amaze me at how helpful people are shareing knowledge and experiences with total novices like me! I hope one day i too can offer assistance rather than 'brain picking' other members!
Cheers.
Andy.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 June 2009, 7:06 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Andy, the fuse on the battery cable is to protect the battery should there be a massive short circuit, it should be rated at 25amps, other lower amp fuses in the van then protect the individual circuits.You have a 'Zig' unit so you said? depending on model number of Zig, the charger is built into the back of the switch panel. IE, any Zig starting 'CF' will be a charger. Their rubbish even when working though so your better off replacing it with something better from Halfords!!
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7 June 2009, 9:01 PM
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DAZID1
Joined 16 Sep 2006
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The cascade is talked about everywhere.sounds like it's very problamatic.
I have just bought a new van and it's got a cascade 2 in it. The van was converted about 3 years ago but never used. I turned the gas on and powered everything up and switched it on, all ok fired up green lamp on an all. Got to the site and nothing, green lamp and then the red 10 seconds later.
Must of tried it 25 times.
Got home today just before putting the van away I tried it again, it made a very loud pop and fired up. I didn't like the sound of that, waited ten mins and got about 35 secons of hot water just enough to wash the pots maybe, although the flow was not good out of the sink the shower seemed ok, enough to have a shower anyway.
I then left it on for a couple of hours to see how long you could get out of the shower. Thats very important as my wife will not use the van without a ten minite shower so it's got to work any almost any cost, my last van had a proper gas boiler in it. It was very hot.
I go back out to the van and water is pouring out of the flu cowl. I thought it was the drain at first but no its comming out of where the fumes escape.
Has anyone any ideas on this??
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7 June 2009, 9:54 PM
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DAZID1
Joined 16 Sep 2006
10 posts
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I have just read something about a wax plug that melts it anything goes wrong and puts out the flame, sounds like that's what has happened. But what now, there must of been a fault to start with I would of thought.
Do theses things keep up with the hot water or once the 9 litres is used does it then go cold.
thanks
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 June 2009, 10:00 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Dazid, first there were 480,000 Cascade 2's made and all are now at least 10 years old, hardly surprising a lot go wrong then, but their still a very good simple and reliable heater.
You though have several problems with yours, so if you say which area you live in I'll try and recommend someone local that can sort it out, far to much for me to guess at on here!Your main problem though is 10 minute showers!?, that's frankly impossible with a cascades 9 litres of water, at least without constantly switching the shower head on and off!
Once cold it then takes 35 minutes to reheat on gas and electric together Depending though on what you want to spend there is now a suitable replacement heater?
This is the soon to be released Whale water heater with 13 litres to start with and rapid reheating (on gas and electric together) at the rate of 1 litre per 2 minutes!!
A total then of 18 litres or two cascades over 10 minutes and plenty for the leisurely shower taker or infact two in quick succession! It's unlikely not to fit and should be all but a direct replacement, likely cost is probably circa £400. And no I don't sell them!.... not yet anyway!
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 June 2009, 11:23 AM
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Nicola
Joined 8 Jun 2009
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MY CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR 9 MONTHS AND WHEN I TURNED ON THE WATER IT STARTED COMING OUT THE BACK THROUGH THE PRESSURE RELEASE VALVE? ANY IDEAS. MANY THANKS
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 June 2009, 4:39 PM
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DAZID1
Joined 16 Sep 2006
10 posts
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Gary,
Thanks, am just going to get it out for a look, but if it wont do 10 mins its not worth repairing is it. I will have to look for a replacement don't mind £400 I may go back to the old fashion multipoint though that would just keep going. I thought I was going forward with this not backwards. I am in Manchester by the way.Daz
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 June 2009, 5:48 PM
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DAZID1
Joined 16 Sep 2006
10 posts
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pulled it out and its only gas fired, that right no 240 volt input at all. The wax fail has melted can I fill it with wax again? and try it? There must of been a problem for it to melt??
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