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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 July 2009, 10:27 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Ray, the 1800SC replaced the 1800S in late 95? the 'C' standing for 'curved' front.
I might be able to locate a new curved front but not the square front of the 'S' model
Powder coating by a local firm to you, is another option
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 July 2009, 10:47 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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John writes:
I have just bought a caravan as SEEN! but find that my water heater works on mains but not on gas. When I first tried to light the heater there was a pause and then quite aloud whoomp! this was the gas igniting but the flame did not stay. Since the all that happens is I switch on (green light) ticking for about 10 secs, click. (red light). And that is all. Any body any Ideas please. Thanks John. Ps I have ordered the user manuals from online. so hope that these may give me some ideas.Starting at the end, I hope you are getting the manual for free? because it's free to download from my website! As for the rest, late 99 to early 2000 was a poor vintage as far as the Cascades gas 'burner module' is concerned, 1000's failed during this period for similar reasons as you describe.
It's possible then yours is one of these modules but either way I'd say it needs replacing, or more cheaply, you can send it to me for repair/exchange
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 7:18 AM
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Beechy
Joined 2 Jul 2009
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Stupid question but what how would I know if it heats from electric? I have a little box with the 3 lights which uses the gas to heat it. What would be the set up if i have electric as an option? Thanks
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7 July 2009, 10:48 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Here you are Beechy, this cut out and keep overview should answer your questions;The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, its to show low voltage and wont light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it flash as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v emersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show its on, not that its working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have tripped Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the Burner Module. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong its a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled fusible plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because its control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a toggle showing that when turned a ¼ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 12:32 PM
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jt
Joined 7 Jul 2009
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Hi
Anybody able to help a new caravaner, I have just bought a second hand ABI Award Brightstar caravan & the Carver 3000auto gas fire will not light, anybody know where to get a manual for it
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 3:59 PM
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wonk
Joined 6 Jul 2009
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Thanks Gary, I suspected that was problem but was unsure as to how to remedy. You say that you can replace /repair module. I have taken module out and It looks okay, but is probably electrics. How can I contact you with regard to an exchange. What is included, The burner? the black module? the gas valve and igniter? HOw much? Thanks for a quick reply to my original question.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 5:50 PM
 Edited by gary 7 July 2009, 6:00 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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The burner 'module' is made up of several parts and is everything that's attached by the two screws that hold it in.For prices please email direct PS, you didn't mention where your getting your 'manual' from? I hope it's not from a guy in Dorset? because that ain't worth the paper it's written on!!
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7 July 2009, 5:56 PM
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gary
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Jt, 'anybodys' not around so if I'll do? the 3000A is covered by the SPL3002/3000 manual and free to download from my website.If your careful printing odd pages, then even pages on the reverse of the odd pages, it then makes a nice little A5 booklet!
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 7:11 PM
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Ray
Joined 19 Jan 2009
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Thanks for your reply - I will try to have the front powder coated as you suggested.Ray
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 7:14 PM
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spencer
Joined 10 Oct 2006
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Ive used hammerite with no problems and it looks good
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 8:01 PM
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Ray
Joined 19 Jan 2009
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Thanks for the suggestion Spencer - think I may use hammerite too - I didn't realise it is heat resistant!
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 July 2009, 10:29 PM
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wonk
Joined 6 Jul 2009
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Thanks Gary I have sent Email to arc systems. With answer to question about manual. I did obtain copies from Dorset, and Scotland and finally from Arc Systems. (which do happen to be the best)Again Thanks.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 July 2009, 0:17 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Ray, if you want to go down the painting route, car shops sell exhaust and brake calliper spray paint which will stand any amount of heat
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 July 2009, 8:03 AM
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Ray
Joined 19 Jan 2009
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Hi Gary
Thanks for this - seems like a good idea.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 July 2009, 9:26 AM
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jt
Joined 7 Jul 2009
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Thanks Gary for the advice
I have downloaded the manual & will try getting the fire working this weekend
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 July 2009, 8:36 PM
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Angie
Joined 4 Apr 2009
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I went out for the first time in my 1994 Autosleeper clubman at the weekend. Filled the water tank, then switched on pump to fill the water system. Suddenly, BANG, the tie rod in the Carver Cascade 2 broke, emptying 9 litres of water over the floor. Sussed out the problem, ordered and fitted new tie rod. Refilled water system,all OK. Switched on mains electric heater, water warmed up, brilliant. Switched on gas system, green light came on, but nothing happened, no ignition, no other light came on panel. After much thought, I can only conclude that when the tank burst, it flooded the electric control box with water, (it seems a bad design to have an electrical unit directly underneath a potential water leak). Has anybody got any ideas about how to overcome the problem? Thanks in anticipation.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
8 July 2009, 10:15 PM
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elaine
Joined 9 Sep 2008
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Hi, I am havig problem with my cascade II plus, for ome reason has stopped igtniting. trie to take it apart to have a look but cant get the inner cover off, eem to be held on by the drain plug, dont want to pull too hard in case i breaki it, any advice please.... is there a lug somewhere or do i jut have to pull harder???? Elaine
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 July 2009, 0:24 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Angie, the electronics are safe enough unless the tank bursts, seeing as that's not meant to happen, it's hardly then a bad design to put them there?!What you need to do now is remove the burner module and dry out the electronics, if then the underside of the pcb is looking scruffy? give it a scrub with a soft brass brush.
With a bit of luck it should now work and if it doesn't I can perhaps sell you a serviced exchange module?!
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 July 2009, 0:31 AM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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elaine your like me? never quite sure how much force to use? but once the two screw are out it pulls out and off from the bottom.Your right though, it sticks around the drain bung and that's what's stopping it coming off, it might bend a bit but won't break and easy enough to straighten out if it does bend.
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 July 2009, 8:00 AM
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Angie
Joined 4 Apr 2009
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thank you we will try and sort it today if not I will be in touch
Regards
Graham
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