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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 July 2009, 3:16 PM
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elaine
Joined 9 Sep 2008
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Hi Dave,
you're mint you are!!! :D .I have taken the cover plate off and where before the water system was lighting, but letting out black smoke it isnt lighting at all, doesn't even seemlike there is any gas flowing.do you think i need a new system? ( i have the carver cascade II plus) all 3 lights are on, on my panel. thanks for your help really appreciate it -oh and if i do needs parts do you supply?? thanks again
Elaine
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9 July 2009, 3:19 PM
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elaine
Joined 9 Sep 2008
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sorry not dave gary :)
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9 July 2009, 3:30 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Ha Ha.. Dave indeed! there again, Graham above calls himself Angie!!! LOLAnyway hows this for a fast reply?...
... black smoke was another problem, now with three lights on you have electronic problems, if drying the module out doesn't work it needs replacing,
Yes then, I supply serviced exchange modules considerably cheaper than new
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9 July 2009, 3:36 PM
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elaine
Joined 9 Sep 2008
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now you can laugh again, which bit is the module? the bit with the wires hanging out??? lol
oh yes and you are quick arent you !!!! :)
Elaine
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9 July 2009, 11:29 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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8hrs later and still at it!!The 'burner module' is everything that comes out when you unscrew the two pozi-drive screws under the gas valve on the right hand side of the burner, you get at these outside having removed the flue cover and the flat aluminium plate under that. This is also the gas connection to the module, so turn GAS OFF first
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 July 2009, 4:18 PM
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deesidedidi
Joined 10 Jul 2009
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I need help with a cascade 2 crystal switch replacement please. Thanks
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10 July 2009, 10:17 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Deesidedidi, there is a Cascade water heater and a Crystal water inlet on the outside of the van, which are you talking about?If you mean the water heater and it's control switch? then I have replacements or I can repair yours a lot cheaper. Contact direct for prices
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 July 2009, 4:18 PM
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tracy
Joined 15 Sep 2006
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hi weve just got a lunar clubman 475ckl, a 2004 model it never came with any manuals. it has a carver caravelle unit in it with 2 nobs near the couch with a switch. think there something to do with it!, we havent a clue how it works, also when we went away with the van when on the move the front comes loose and the button on the right of the unit, facing the door pops off! how do we work it in simple terms as poss pls!
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11 July 2009, 11:42 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Tracy, I'll have to get back to you on how it works can you post up a picture? so I know exactly what our talking about
I've also a question for you, why do you think it's a 2004 van?First Truma bought Carver in 1999 and nothing made by Carver has been fitted since 2000!
Second the Caravelle is a gas fire, this came as an Electronic model, (SBE1800), with a wall control switch and was fitted from 1982 until 1989. There was also a very little fitted manual model, (SBM1800), with controls on the fire and this was late 80's Both these fire type fronts are held on with two tiny screws right at the bottom, there probably missing
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12 July 2009, 9:55 AM
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tracy
Joined 15 Sep 2006
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hi thanx gary looked on the top of it again and it says trauma ultraheat 230v, cant get a pic on not sure how to do it, it has two round nobs on the side of the tv table, come electric box with a black switch under it. def a 04 van as ive chekced the cris no on the net. it says traumatic on the front lower left hand side of the unit. dont know how i got the other carvelle model from tho! i did a search on the bet to try and find something out about it and must have put the wrong thing in i looked at that many!
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12 July 2009, 10:30 AM
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rocksy71
Joined 12 Jul 2009
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Hi Gary, sorry about this but being a newbie to caravanning I bought a Bialy Scorpio and started my adventure, first the water pump had to be replaced and I couldnt find out where this clicking sound was coming from. After a week or so Id managed to sort out a few little other problems you get with older vans and then I came to the hot water/ heating system. I now know what the heating system is and I even know what that clicking noise was as its stopped and I now have a green and red light on the control panel. I suppose Ive burned out the ignition switch with it being on and no gas connected but how can I check it? Is it easy to replace and do I have to buy the whole gas jet assembly or just the igniter part?
John walsall
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12 July 2009, 11:25 AM
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Kowhai
Joined 28 Oct 2008
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Hi Gary, received the reconditioned burner module on Friday. Many thanks, extra quick service thank you. Now installed and we are back in hot water. Forwarding exchange unit tomorrow, Monday 13 July. Kind regards
Clem Smith, Warkworth, NZ
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12 July 2009, 2:50 PM
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nellymcl
Joined 4 Mar 2009
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Good afternoon GaryI was wondering if you could help me with a question on the rod and control knob for my carver 2000p I bought from you back in March. When I fitted this onto the Piezo igniter the control nob stood about 1-1/2" above the heater itself. Being an engineer I assumed the rod below the piezo had to be cut to length to suit what I thought must have been a universal rod. Unfortunately the knob is still slightly proud of the fire and my 2 year old has a fascination with pulling this up and out, meaning I have to remove the faceplate of the heater. Can you advise the actual set up for this heater i.e. gas control/piezo/steel rod/control knob. Also I am unsure of the position of the metal circle with the foam backing. Any help appreciated as always. Cheers
Neil
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12 July 2009, 4:49 PM
 Edited by gary 12 July 2009, 4:54 PM
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gary
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Tracy, forget the Caravelle then!! The Truma Ultraheat behind a Truma 3002 gas fire is the system that is fitted after 2000, so 2004 will be correct and I won't need a picture either, I know them inside and out!!So you have a switch on the wall with 'OFF' 500w 1000w and 2000w settings, you should also have a green light lit on this switch when you switch to one of the wattage settings, that is if 240v power is getting to the main control board.
Set the back dial to 2000w and No8 on the temperature dial at the front and it should heat up, if not then there's a problem somewhere. Any problems then I have better and cheaper spares than original to get it going and working perfectly. Below is my 'cut out and keep' overview of how to get the best from this heating system and explains some of the myths surrounding it! The Ultraheat?s wattage settings are there so you can make use of low amperage hookups, 500W for 6A, 1000W for 10A and 2000W for 16A hookups, their not there to adjust the temperature of the van. The Ultraheat is thermostatically controlled, therefore the wattage used will simply mean the fire is heating for shorter or longer periods. Where the problems arise then is if the temperature control is not working correctly, this is often due to the heat from the elements directly affecting the sensor itself. This means the heat brings the temperature sensor up to that set on the dial and the elements switch off, you and the vans are still cold but the sensors toasty and takes forever to cool before switching the fire back on!! Due to this and particularly overnight, it's become something of an urban myth to set it at 500w or 1000w, this or that number on the dial and fan speed setting. In truth what's happening is the available heat is not capable of reaching the set temperature so never switches off, it's a useful work around but not how it should work.
The real solution is to fit a ?remote? temperature sensor and attach it to the gas fires sensor, if a remote is already fitted, it too will usually react better if moved to this location. Setting the fan on manual speed means the fan runs at this speed regardless of the amount of heat being produced, I would suggest manual fan is only for use without heat for cooling in summer, if infact it has a use?!
Setting the fan to ?A?utomatic allows the heat produced to control the fan speed ?up? to the speed set on the dial, you can then, keep this set maximum low and therefore quiet over night perhaps
Automatic means the fan will run slowly initially and speed up as the air passing through gets warmer, doing it this way allows heat and fan to be switched on together and doing away, as often suggested, with waiting xx minutes before switching the fan on. I would suggest as a start and during the day, the wattage selected is as high as the hook up allows and then fan speed set to maximum on Automatic.
This provides the maximum heat if required and the fans speed will respond to change in temperature, ie, fast when heat cycle is on and slow when heat is off.
After that you can fine tune to suit your own needs
Other heating problems concern the control board, the elements are switched on and off by relays and the contacts burn out, particularly the two 1kw relays. If this happens you may think you have it set to 2kw but only one element is working, finally perhaps leaving you with just 500w working when both 2kw and1kw settings no longer work.
(Note, relays will still be heard to ?click? but unless you have heat, their not working)
The 12v for control also comes from this board and the transformer sometimes packs up, apart from no heat, you will lose the green light in the switch if this happens
Lastly and also if no heat is forth coming, there are two safety thermostats, one at least of these has a habit of self destruction which stops all heating on electric!
The control switch itself seems generally reliable but the odd one does fail.
The numbers on the dial represent roughly 4degs and 9 is 32degs or thereabouts, this in theory makes 6 or 7 'normal' but it's what feels comfortable that matters not the number. Another problem not caused by the heater itself is long runs of un-insulated blown air pipe running outside under the floor, insulating this will improve matters considerable.
Everything installed and working as it should, there is no good reason why the electric heating should not work very well and keep an even temperature to suit your needs.
However, it must be remembered the van needs to be warmed through thoroughly, not just the air, before the heating is turned down. While the vans cold it will constantly drag heat from the air and this in turn needs constant topping up or the van will always feel ?draughty?. It's most useful then while particularly cold to use gas as well for the first couple of hours also, if the heating is off during the day to turn it back on at the first sign of a chill.
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12 July 2009, 5:12 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Clem, That sounds pretty quick but I don't remember the date I posted it? it will be on the post office stamp though?
Airmail usually takes a fortnight to get to customers in New Zealand, makes you wonder what sort of planes they use? ex WW2 Dakota's I expect! LOL
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12 July 2009, 5:21 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Rocksy, I don't fully understand, if you switch off and back on again? what happens?The green light should come on when you switch on, the red should join it after around 8 to 10 seconds 'if' it fails to light or there's another fault Go back a page or two on here and you will find my 'Cascade2 overview', this explains more on how it should work and what goes wrong
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12 July 2009, 5:43 PM
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rocksy71
Joined 12 Jul 2009
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so the red light is supposed to come on then? i thought that if the red light came on then their was a fault on the system. i did try downloading your on line manuel but it keeps coming up that the link has been disconected or summut like that. i have absoloutly no idea what the bloody hell i'm doing lol HELP
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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 July 2009, 5:46 PM
Edited by gary 12 July 2009, 5:49 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Neil, I would have shortened the steel control rod but if it turns ok then no harm done.
To stop it coming apart, open the 'v' slightly by nipping the tip in a vice, keep trying until it grips firmly.The disc with the foam pad lives under the control knob right at the top
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12 July 2009, 9:08 PM
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tracy
Joined 15 Sep 2006
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thanx gary your a star and i will save what youve put on, in laymans terms tho i just have to put setting to 240v switch the nob to 2000, then no 8. does it fill up with water or something, or does it heat up when needed. sorry were new to this and its a bit scary switching it all on in case theres a prob somewhere and i dont realise it!. also do can you leave the water pump switched on all the time or do you turn it off when youve finished with it, think someone told me somewhere along the line to turn it of when its been used so it doesnt burn out. only had the van since last mon and used it for 2 nights, the bathroom taps leaking when the pumps turned on (my son said hed look at it) plus got a guy looking at the bits of bodywork that need doing, so if my lad cant fix it i will get him to have a look, not a good start with our new van! got it at a good price tho
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12 July 2009, 9:42 PM
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gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Tracy, the 'ultra-heat' is a room heater, then there's the 'ultra-stor' which is the water heater. Cotrol switches are similar as well as their names but there it stops.I'm happy to help with the room heater but not the water heater, but in general The Ultra-stor is a storage water heater containing 10 litres or just over 2 gallon of water, this can be heated by gas or mains and both together for faster heating.
The tanks got to be full of water which means cold water at first flowing from hot taps, for gas you also need to remove the 'winter cover' from the flue outside, this is a solid plastic cover to stop anything getting in or out of the inside of the heater where the burner is, the normal flue cover is just a guard to stop small birds or little fingers! getting inside. Once full you can switch on and set the water temperature on gas, on electric it's set at around 60 degs C.
You now wait for it to heat up and that takes around 40 minutes from cold.
If you go on Truma's website, http://www.trumauk.com you will find links to operation instructions The pump should be control by micro-switches on each tap or by a single pressure switch, if either of these are working correctly there is no need to switch the pump off manually, it should look after itself, switching the pump on or off automatically.
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