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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
4 August 2009, 7:54 PM
sarg
Joined 4 Aug 2009
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I have a 1992 swift conqueror with a caver cascade water heater do you no what model it would be as i need a new eletric heating element

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 August 2009, 11:23 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Peter, sorry to be slow replying but yes you can use it safely by switching it off, however this should not be required.
First 20psi should be fine, my pumps set at 25psi and I have no problems.

I would think your quick drain valve is dirty inside or the toggle that opens and shuts it is damaged and not allowing it to fully shut, it will be something very simple


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 August 2009, 11:25 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Graham, yes is the short answer


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 August 2009, 11:54 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Dad, where to start? 13yrs ago a 'bent bugger' told me the same thing and fixing all the faults changed my life completely? Every cloud they say has a silver lining, in my case it was solid gold...I kid you not!

To your problems, I'm not sure about the 'O' ring? it depends on it's size, the non-return one is about 10mm diameter and around 2mm thick.

The fires control knob being loose is common and could have happened on your journey home? too much pressure in the tyres or out of balance wheels can cause it.
Solution is to tighten the joint and this is very easy to do.

Fridge only works on 12v while on the car towing with engine running and the alternator supplying the voltage, the 12v element needs 10amps so otherwise would flatten a battery in no time.
On gas it takes quite a while for gas to get down to the burner, I say make sure all isolation taps are on and light a hob burner to draw gas through the system, once the hobs lit switch that off
Now set and push the fridge knob in for about one minute without trying to light it, now let go and wait five minutes for any access gas to disperse, now push it back in and try and light it and it should light straight away.

Nothing to say about the battery except get it tested by experts.

I would suggest all this and much more can be sorted with a service, given it's a private sale it's the least you should do to ensure your starting from a known point where everything is checked and safe to use




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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 August 2009, 0:00 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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geoff, there free to download from my website, just click on the link below


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 August 2009, 0:07 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Sarg, it would have been the smaller 630w and they have not been available for some year, the later 850w would have fitted with a little filing but those are now no longer available!

However have you checked that the element is actually dead? there should be a resistance of 84-90 ohms between the element pins, if there is then it's only a new thermostat you need and I have those


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 August 2009, 1:22 AM
Bob
Joined 25 Jun 2009
3 posts

Hi, Gary,
Got your name from Brian tucker who was trying to help with my Carver P4 but with no real success over the phone.
The problem is that, having just bought the van (VW Trident Auto Sleeper), I find that the heater doesn/t work . . . or rather that it has worked sometimes and not others.
Mainly, it blinks at the first setting and then the fan starts, runs for a few seconds at a fair speed and then stops. This sequence repeats for as long as I leave it switched on. The off switch doesn't work so I have to switch it off at the master switch on the panel.
At Brian's suggestion I have dismounted the heater and checked all the electrical connections (as best I could), checked the power supply which shows 13.05 volts dropping to 12.50 when the fan cuts in and played around with the plug from wall switch to heater but with no success.
I am suspicious of the control board at the wall (not from any knowledge basis) and I suspect that while trying to find the fault I may have blown the indicator lights on the switch for warm and hot air.
Any suggestions and estimated costs would be most welcome as I am trying to get Arnold Clark from whom we bought the van, to meet the cost - or at least to contribute towards it.
Hoping to hear from you at your earliest convenience ('cos we want to get on the road as soon as possible and there has been a bit of dismantling taking place!).

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 August 2009, 9:13 PM
stuart
Joined 9 Jan 2008
1 posts

hi
i have just bought a swift challanger 590 it has a carver 3000 fire when i inspected the fire i have found that the conecting rod which gos into the gas valve has snapped inside can you help me please
thank you
stuart

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 August 2009, 3:46 PM
RalphB
Joined 7 Aug 2009
2 posts

Hi'
I'm having trouble with an old Truma boiler I recently purchased.
I have to say I'm trying to test it without water in it, so far.
Initially the unit would not start at all. The green light would come on and after 10 seconds the gas switch could be heard shutting and the red light would show. As I couldn't hear any clicks made by the ignition electrode, I pulled out the burner assembly to check it was OK. I noticed there were two electrodes exactly the same which I thought unusual. As is the way I often 'fix' things, when I re-assembled it, the ignition worked. The gas switch could be heard opening, I could hear the clicks and the gas would light for a second before the gas switch would switch off.
I'm now thinking the second electrode might be some kind of thermo-couple although, as I say, it looks exactly like the ignitor, with the same wiring. However I've found this wire ends about six inches before all the others going into the main control box. (It's in the same 'harness' as the others. I also found a broken soldered connection on one of the plugs in the control box and connected the short wire to it with a crocodile clip but it has made no difference.
Any help in unraveling this mystery of the wires and even better, suggestions that might lead to a functioning boiler would be very appreciated.

Thanks all.

Ralph


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 August 2009, 11:34 PM
Ian
Joined 10 Nov 2006
1 posts

Hi,
I have a fanmaster mk1 in a 1997 bailey ranger. The fan has been making a few whirring noises since we bought the van in 2007. however I thought i'd check it today as we are going away next Friday and the moment i put it on there was a faint smell of hot electrics and no fan. The heat is ok but having checked the pcb for voltage the little white plug that connects the motor is live 12v. When you spin the fan round it clicks a lot at the back of the motor. whats the quickest way to fix it?

yours in grateful anticipation,
Ian


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 August 2009, 9:37 PM
malfunction
Joined 9 Aug 2009
3 posts

Hi all, iv'e got a problem with my carver 3600 fanmaster, it works fine on electric but i cant get the gas fire to light, it sparks ok and tries to light, but it seems its not getting enough gas to light the pilot, any advice would be appreciated.

Mal


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 August 2009, 10:54 PM
shaedaisy
Joined 9 Aug 2009
2 posts

can you get a replacement for the wax filled safety feature if so where shaedaisy

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 August 2009, 11:33 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Bob, sorry to be late getting back I'm having a few days off!, but I think your problem is the fan control board, this is the little board that you plug the leads into at the front of the P4.

Further what happen if you press 'on' twice or three times? this should start the heating side working and it should then go through a start cycle.

Nothing really to the switch so it's doubtful that's at fault but maybe all the playing around has damaged it in some way?

For starters I'd suggest you take the fan control board out and send it together with the switch.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 August 2009, 11:39 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Stuart, you need to get the broken bit out and a spray of silicone will help, or something like Pledge polish will do.
A new one is not available but the Carver 3000 is really a Truma 3002 and their 'old style' control rod will fit perfectly into the valve, however the other end will need some work so it fits at the right height in the Carver case


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
9 August 2009, 11:54 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Ralph, the other electrode is for electronic flame recognition and indeed is connected to the larger plug on the control board, that's the one on the right if you have three light on your control switch.

I assume this electrode is the right hand one at the burner as you hold the burner by it's stem? it should actually be slightly different with a short bent up end to it, the reason being it needs a good surface within the flame.

My problem is, although Carver supplied this boiler to get ABI out of trouble in 83/4, it's a Trauma and I don't care much them or their problems, I just find them hard work




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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 August 2009, 0:02 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Ian, it sounds like just the motors u/s which means if you get your skates on I can get a new one too you early this week.

Or you can whip the whole Fanmaster out and send that for complete overhaul which will guarantee it's working for your holiday.

It easily packs under 4kg and it posts for £8.22 1st class


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 August 2009, 0:07 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Mal, it don't need much gas so I expect something's wrong with the burner, probably a blockage inside such as a spider or a web it's left behind


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 August 2009, 0:16 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

shaedaisy, I must be good at interpretation because I think you mean the 'fusible plug' for the Cascade water heater?!

In which case, the odd dealers still have what remaining stock there is of new ones or I sell them at a tenner on a serviced exchange basis.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 August 2009, 6:34 PM
RalphB
Joined 7 Aug 2009
2 posts

Hi' Gary,
Thanks for your reply. I connected the flame recognition wire and it made no difference (the boiler wouldn't stay lit) but followed your advice to someone else on this site and pulled the plugs, carefully cleaned all of the pins and put it back together again. Presto! The boiler is now firing up every time and saying on.

This forum would not be the same without you and your selflessness.

Thank you very much.

Ralph


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 August 2009, 7:36 PM
Bob
Joined 25 Jun 2009
3 posts

Thanks for the reply Gary, when I click once, twice, or three times, I get the same result - there is a fairly heavy click (presumably a relay) followed by a pause, another quieter click and then the fan comes on with a burst for a few seconds and then stops for about five seconds and then comes on again, and repeats this cycle till I turn off the power at the wall panel. The off switch doesn't work at all. Even on the couple of times that the heater did work and the fan operated normally, when I tried to switch it off it went back to the fan on and off over and over again (this was not the system cooling down or whatever it is supposed to do as it just went on indefinitely). Will I just send the control board and the switch to your address from you web site ie. Far Stret? Thanks again - Bob

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