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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 August 2005, 11:02 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Rosemary, in general when the green light is followed by the red you have run out of gas, but the red also shows other faults.
If you get the red instantly then the timer circuit is faulty, if after about 8 seconds and you have gas then it could be one of several other faults but put simply all will require a new or serviced exchange 'burner module'.
Serviced exchange are £63 from me inclusive of P&P and 6 month warranty.
Regards
Gary
http://www.arcsystems.biz

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 August 2005, 9:00 PM
peter
Joined 15 Aug 2005
13 posts

hi there im new to all this ijust got an old monza caravan but the fire is missing can u help me as to what it might be and were i can get a cheap one from with thanks peter

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 August 2005, 9:56 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Depends on what is left in the caravan?, for instance is there a hole in the floor or just a gas tap and a few screw holes in a cabinet front?. If the later then it will have been a 'cathlitic' heater and IMHO best removed although others would disagree with that.
If there is a hole then perhaps it was an early Carver/Truma 1800 and this is easily replaced or in fact fitted in place of something else whatever it was.
The SB1800 is a simple and safe to use fire, a decent example from me tested and ready to fit would be around £120

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 August 2005, 10:10 PM
peter
Joined 15 Aug 2005
13 posts

hi there i just have the gas tap and a few holes left in the cabnet any more ideals thanks

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
15 August 2005, 11:32 PM
rosemary
Joined 14 Aug 2005
11 posts

problem with carver mk2 water heater.when switched on green
light comes on for about 10 seconds followed by red,tried to reset but same happens.also there appears to be a very small drip landing on top of small black box below heater that is connected to wall switch that turns heater on,what is the black box and how do you access it to check if wet inside,also is there an easy way to pinpoint where small drip could be coming from,i
have check the hot and cold supply pipes but they appear to be dry.sorry to be a pest but this is all new to me


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 August 2005, 0:06 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

"also there appears to be a very small drip landing on top of small black box below heater"

That's the clue Rosemary?, the black box contains the control circuitry and the dripping water will be doing it no good at all!.
First you will need to find out where the water is coming from and cure the leak, the three main things to check are the cold inlet and hot outlet plus the tank seal to the heat exchanger which is the big square bit that comes though the side of the van. The inlet and outlet can be checked by tugging their pipes side ways in all directions and if weak they will snap off with ease. If these are OK then it is most likely the tank seal.

The black box is part of the 'burner module' and this is removed from outside the van having first removed the outer plastic cover and the inner flat alloy cover. Once these are removed the module is held by two cross head screw below the gas valve on the right hand side and providing the black box lid has not sprung open the module will slide out. The two screws also seal the gas so this must be turned off first!!. If the box is open then you will need to squeeze it shut from inside the van before it will slide out.
Once out the box lid can be opened and the circuit board dried out, any light corrosion on the base of the circuit board can be removed with a soft brass brush and hopefully it will then work correctly.
As always this is GAS and needs to be treated with the utmost respect!!, if you are in any doubt WHATSOEVER get someone that knows what they are doing to sort it out for you.


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 August 2005, 0:17 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Peter, it's as I thought and best replaced with an 1800 series fire. You can pick these up from breakers or Ebay for as little as £25 but in general and amongst other things the gas feed pipes will be badly corroded below floor level and need replacing before they are safe to use.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
16 August 2005, 11:39 PM
REG
Joined 16 Aug 2005
3 posts

Hi Gary.
On the Carver Cascade 2 water heaters.. Having operated mine on gas when the van was tilted, the unit now shows visible smoking on the outside. Could this just be carbon deposits? Could you tell me how I can inspect the unit?
Many thanks.
REG.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 August 2005, 9:11 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Reg, I doubt using it out of level is the problem as under test I can tilt them much more than you could get it a caravan in my hand and the flame still burns perfectly.
What will be the cause is a problem with or within the burner rail, this you can expose by removing the outer plastic flue cover and the flat alloy cover behind that.
Once exposed and lit the problem I would think is going to be a long lasy yellow flame rather than bright blue as it should be. If so then the cause will be either rotten and holed burner ends or an obstruction within the pipe in the centre of the burner.

Black smoke by the way is always accompanied by Carbon monoxide and this can rise and enter the van so the heater should never be used in this condition.


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17 August 2005, 2:52 PM
REG
Joined 16 Aug 2005
3 posts

Cheers, Gary. Sound advice! I'll take a look.

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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 August 2005, 6:35 PM
REG
Joined 16 Aug 2005
3 posts

Hi Gary,
Having looked at the burner, it is definetly rotten and holed burner ends of the pipe in the centre of the burner.
I can't see how you remove this.
Any advice? Is this a part I can replace?
Do you have the part on the shelf and a cost please?
Many thanks.
REG.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
17 August 2005, 8:59 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Below the gas valve on the right hand side you will find two cross head screw looking at you. Unscrew these having first switched off the gas and the whole module slides out, if it does not want to come then you will need to go in the van squeeze the black box lid shut under the tank and get it started though the hole.
A serviced exchange unit in stock from me is £63 inclusive of P&P and 6 months warranty.
Gary
http://www.arcsystems.biz

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
18 August 2005, 3:34 PM
Chris
Joined 18 Aug 2005
2 posts

My Cascade 2 is six years old and has recently been "backfiring" when used on gas. I have removed the cover plate and watched the burner light up with a nice steady flame and everything looks fine, but when I re-assemble it sounds like a twelve bore going off! However since the last time I looked at it I can't get it to lght at all. Altough the panel only shows a green light, there is no action from the ignition. Any ideas?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
19 August 2005, 8:23 AM
-  Edited by gary 19 August 2005, 8:27 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Well first of all Chris the gas burner module should of course light with a whisper so something was very wrong before it packed up altogether. The fact it lit correctly without the covers really has no bearing as the increased air available while open is just disguising the real problem
The best course of action is to replace the module and by doing so fix any faults your existing one has, these are £63 exchange.
The fact it has pack up altogether is my only doubt as it is just possible this could be a control switch fault but only if the module is dated late 1991 to early 93. The date can be found on the burner in the bottom right corner below the word 'Patented'.
If outside this date range all the faults will be within the module and either way not the reason for your burner sounding like a shot gun.
Gary
http://www.arcsystems.biz

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
20 August 2005, 9:15 AM
Chris
Joined 18 Aug 2005
2 posts

Thanks Gary. I will have a go with an exchange unit to start with, I think. Could you advise with whom it should be exchanged?
Regards, Chris.


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
20 August 2005, 12:26 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

With me Chris! but I am away for the next week so will not be on here answering questions or able to supply anything until Tuesday 30th.
If you need urgent advice my mobile number is on my website, other than that see you the week after next.
In the mean time talk amongst yourselves!!
Bye for now
Gary
http://www.arcsystems.biz

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
20 August 2005, 8:59 PM
Noel
Joined 20 Aug 2005
2 posts

I have just purchased my first caravan today.It is a ABI Jubilee Ralleyman (1995).
It has a Carver 3000 A heater.When I tried to light it I found the control knob and connecting rod were not attached to anything!
Does anyone know how I go about fixing it,please ?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 August 2005, 8:22 AM
-  Edited by keith 21 August 2005, 8:24 AM
keith
Joined 7 Feb 2005
1386 posts

As gary is away i'll try to answer your question.
I take it the control knob is still connected to the connecting rod & u just cant see where it ends up at the bottom.
It should push into the gas valve at the bottom of the heater, to the side of the heat exchanger, look for a hole with 1 flat edge, if u look at the bottom of the rod you will see it has a flat side these of course have to be lined up to fit.



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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 August 2005, 12:01 PM
Noel
Joined 20 Aug 2005
2 posts

Cheers Keith for your quick response.
I managed to get the front removed and found where the connecting rod should go.The actual 'push down' action of the button was very stiff so I sqirted some DWF around it and managed to free it off.
It is now all back together and working fine.
This is a superb website and I know I'll be using it again and passing on this site to my mates.
Thank you again.......Noel.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
21 August 2005, 2:01 PM
keith
Joined 7 Feb 2005
1386 posts

Well done, FLAME ON...
glad to help.
keith


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