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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
4 October 2005, 5:24 PM
-  Edited by gary 4 October 2005, 7:55 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Glad you are getting there, I only mentioned the telephone lead because thats what an 89 van should have?, you have a pre 86 setup but at least it's the better one.
The last problem you mention could be a crack on one of the three soldered joints to the temp control pot on the back of the circuit board.

P.S. This is the 500th post in just 53 weeks


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 October 2005, 4:23 PM
bellablue
Joined 3 Oct 2005
4 posts

Hi again gary thanks for your continued help, You were spot on regards the seal, repositioned and tightened and hey presto! no leak, thought my troubles were over, but alas not so lucky. Still have no flow from the hot tap, the burner is v clean with little corrosion sparking well but still not lighting cant smell gas but thats a bit tricky when you are out in the open. so theres 2 problems one no flow and two not lighting I would realy appreciate your advice you nave been a gem with the leak problem many thanks again C K X X

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 October 2005, 7:02 PM
The Fat Controller
Joined 5 Oct 2005
1 posts

Hi Gary.

My 1993 Lunar Clubman has a Carver 3000 heater with a blown air pack (the wall switch has the two position switch on the wall).

I've only used the fire once, it lit near enough first time and was fine.

However I tried to use it last week and the damn thing won't light now. I've taken the front panel off, and there IS a spark down in the burner. I've also checked and yes, there's gas getting through.

If I hold the control button down and try to light the fire, I get a spark but no lighting up. If I release the control knob, then press the ignition switch (it's manual ignition, not electronic), then all the gas in the burner area ignites in a fast burst and goes out.

Any ideas what I can do to get this going properly, what I need to try / clean / repair / swear at ?

Any suggestions VERY gratefully received (it was DAMN cold in Scotland last week !!)

Thanks,

Lee.


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
5 October 2005, 7:23 PM
magstony
Joined 2 Oct 2005
3 posts

Hi Gary,
Thanks for reply...i will try it................but since then i have found a very good site which gives you fault finding and all diograms of the carver heater and also if any one needs fault finding on the thetford toilet that is there as well with all diograms..........so just click and look your self ok !!!
Many thanks

http://www.stowford.co.uk/faultfinder/index2.asp


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 October 2005, 0:17 AM
-  Edited by gary 6 October 2005, 0:35 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Not an easy one to call mr fat controller, but first though is it's over gassing or more likely it is starved of air!. Check the flue on the roof before you go further?
The problem with this type of fault is I need to see what is happening because lighting or not lighting is only part of the problem.
The good news is the Carver 3000 is in fact a Truma 3002 so spares are not a problem.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 October 2005, 0:25 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Lots of problems then CK XX!!
As I said water will get into the module from wherever it leaks from and that's going to stop that working. The water flow from the taps is to do with the cold water inlet non-return valve sticking or the narrow passage way into the tank being blocked.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
6 October 2005, 0:31 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Yes Darren's site has been around for some years now Mags and the pictures are very useful sometimes.
The problem I always find though is faults due to age are never covered in manuals?.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
7 October 2005, 4:26 PM
bellablue
Joined 3 Oct 2005
4 posts

Many thanks gary, as you know working perfectly now, wouldnt have managed it without all your valuable advice, your a star, pity there aren't as many people around like you.
Theres a lot who would scratch their chin with doom and gloom then make a packet out of our inexperience.
Many thanks C K X X

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 2:42 PM
Mark
Joined 10 Oct 2005
4 posts

Hello Dave,
We too have just had the same problem.
We notice that your post was in July so we were wondering did you sort it out and if so...how?
Regards
Mark

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 3:05 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hello Mark, this thread does not quite work like that as once answered most people (quite rightly) won't come back until there is another Carver problem.
As you see all new questions get tagged onto the bottom of the last page so if you want to refer to an earlier Q or A then copy and paste it into your question.
By the way...what is your problem?


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 3:22 PM
Mark
Joined 10 Oct 2005
4 posts

gary,
The problem is , the carver 2 water heater was leaking and upon inspection, the plastic thing on the top left of the heater looking at it from outside snapped off leaving the thread inside. I tried a thread remover to no avail. It cracked the thread casing slightly. Can you help?
Regards Mark

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 4:33 PM
eclaire
Joined 15 Feb 2005
31 posts

hi gary, mark says u are a saint and will answer my carver q's.
the water heater is the first one. the elctric heating doesnt seem to do anything at all. on gas it is showing green but the wter from the tap comes out as a bit of hot then a load of cold, then a bit of hot etc.
the heater (carver 3000) heats itself up to toasting but isnt blowing any air. the switch has a circle, a coloured in circle and an 'a' on it but i cant work out what they mean...any help appreciated!
claire:-}

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 4:39 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

O dear, so you found out about not using a stud extractor the hard way??.
Problem now is the casting needs welding and that is not cheap but I have a small stock of repaired ones for exchange in these circumstances.
If you want to ring me we can discuss the options...numbers are on my website link below
Gary


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 5:06 PM
-  Edited by gary 10 October 2005, 5:29 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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You get about a bit Claire!!, I saw what you said to Mark and he to you, and thought I had heard it before...on T&T..last night??.
I got my apprentice! to answer your question there about the fan control...so that ones out the way.

First things first, the problem with the flow of water from the water heater is a blockage in or with the cold water inlet in the bottom right corner looking from inside the van.
Either the non-return valve which is part of the fitting has been damaged so it's sticking partly closed, or the last drain down has washed loose lime scale into the narrow passage from the tank to the drain hole.
First solution is to repair or replace the cold water inlet fitting, If it's white plastic then you can remove the end that the pipe fits to and re-seat the tiny 'O' ring if it's not kinked?. If it's a black plastic fitting or if the white 'O' rings kinked then replace with a new fitting.
The easy way to check for a limescale blockage is to seal a hose pipe as best you can into the drain bung hole without going to far in, and let the water pressure push the scale back into the tank. It's most important to have the hot taps open while you do this to allow air in the tank out and prevent water pressure building up in the tank.
Once this is sorted we can go on to getting the water hot, or book on to T&T's new year do...and I will sort it there


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
10 October 2005, 6:23 PM
eclaire
Joined 15 Feb 2005
31 posts

cheers gary - if it doesnt work we will bring the van 2 u as we dont live 2 far away!! yes, did post on t&t - need all the help i can get so tend to post on lots of diff forums!!
cant do winter meets as we have horses and once they are in for the winter we are confined to base :-{
cheers
claire:-}


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 October 2005, 7:29 AM
korky
Joined 18 Sep 2005
4 posts

Hi Mark
Re the green light on all the time on the under seat switch, the light was ment to be on all the time as it was a permenent live the caravan had a heater swith on the wall panel so that was one to look at. Saying this the under seat switch needed replacing and the gas boiler was also broken it cost 90.00 to fix the two. Hope this helps mate .
Davy.

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 October 2005, 2:22 PM
Mark
Joined 10 Oct 2005
4 posts

Hi Gary
Please could you tell me how to remove the casting which I cracked yesterday, and what too;s I will need as the caravan is in storage. Is it easy?
Thanks Mark

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
11 October 2005, 4:12 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Mark, you will have to take the whole heater out which means first unscrewing the gas pipe connection and disconnecting the mains electric if it has this. Then from outside remove nine screws from the flange.
Next using two broad bladed screwdrivers and starting at the bottom prise the flange away from the van being careful not to damage the vans skin, once you have it moving use a craft knife or similar dipped in white spirit to cut though the sealant if need be. When free pull it out so you can take off the water connections, best way is to cut them and leave a fresh pipe end when putting back. It can also be easier to leave the mains connection till now as well. Finally the 12 volt connection can be unplugged and the unit removed.
My record on a wet day is 7minutes...see how you do!!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 October 2005, 3:57 PM
Mark
Joined 10 Oct 2005
4 posts

Gary,
Ive managed to take out the water heater. It took me 55mins!!! Could you tell me how much to exchange the casting, do I send the whole thing to you or just the casting? and do you take paypal? Were going away a week on Saturday could you send it before then ? Ialso snapped the hot water inlet. Do you stock these as well as the other thing that snapped?
Thanks Mark

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
12 October 2005, 4:06 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
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Hi Mark, I think it's best you rang me and we will see what can be done.
Numbers are on my website
Gary



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