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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 October 2005, 7:30 PM
Paul
Joined 20 Jul 2005
8 posts

Thanks - and to the others.
It's sorted now. I presume either the gas or the water hadn't got through to start with, but now it's working just fine (and pretty fast at heating the water!)

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 October 2005, 9:22 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

The Cascade mk1 is the best caravan water heater ever made, probably, and as you say quick at about 1.5degs per minute plus they are also very frugal on gas.
I have one in my van and although I could easily swap it for a 'modern' Gas/Electric I have never seen the point.
Glad you have yours sorted but if you do need spares I have plenty.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
23 October 2005, 9:35 PM
Paul
Joined 20 Jul 2005
8 posts

Thanks, Gary. I've now looked at the manual you gave me the link to, but it's actually the one I inherited with the caravan!
I'm a bit puzzled - if mine's not a Mark 1, what is it?
As I said, it only has one light on the control, and it looks as though it flashes if there's no water or gas, but lights permanently once all is in order. So there's no way of seeing when it's up to temperature.
However - it seems to working perfectly!
Here's a picture of the control - sorry it's a bit blurred, but you can see there's a sliding switch and a single light.
http://www.geocities.com/paulrooney2003/carver.JPG

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 October 2005, 3:41 PM
-  Edited by gary 24 October 2005, 3:44 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

You have a 1982 type 2 switch with a single green light that flashes instead of a red light showing on the earlier switch, the earlier third amber light was to show the heat cycle which is missing on yours. So your manual is OK for fault finding if you read red light as flashing green light.
It's still a Mk1 water heater though but used several control switches, type1 and 1a with three lights, 2, 2a, 3, and would had a sixth if it had continued passed 1984. All these later ones used one green light.

Gary




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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 October 2005, 3:50 PM
Paul
Joined 20 Jul 2005
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Thanks again, Gary.



ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 October 2005, 5:51 PM
tony811976
Joined 24 Oct 2005
2 posts

hi sounds like the burner needs cleaning. a trick we used to use in the workshop i used to work in was to remove carefully the glass cover and with a high pressure air jet give it a couple of blasts this 90% of the time dislodges the dust without the need to remove the assembly from under the van

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
24 October 2005, 8:01 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

I have heard of this 'trick' being used on the old Cascade one and while it could work or it may not... it's not a trick it's a bodge in place of proper investigation and remedy.
Further to suggest it as a solution for 'amateurs' on here could be potentially life threatening.
Sorry Tony that's my opinion and I can't contact you other than on here.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
25 October 2005, 6:58 PM
tony811976
Joined 24 Oct 2005
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how the hell could blowing the dust out with compressed air be called a bodge and dangerous. it is simply the first thing to do before you go and dismantle the assembly. even trained corgi registered fitters do it .i should know im one.
if you go and dismantle the fire only then you are breaking the law and no corgi registered fitter worth his salt will put it back together for you and certify it safe.
so if you dont want to listen to help from others who are trying to help you and save you costly bills why ask for help?
why ask for the advice just take it to a dealer

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
27 October 2005, 8:33 PM
Paul
Joined 20 Jul 2005
8 posts

<snip>
"so if you dont want to listen to help from others who are trying to help you and save you costly bills why ask for help?
why ask for the advice just take it to a dealer "

Gary wasn't the one asking for advice - I was. He was *giving* advice, and as his is clearly expert advice I am very grateful for it.


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
28 October 2005, 2:27 PM
Lounutty
Joined 28 Oct 2005
1 posts

Gary Help!!

Have Got a Cascade Mk1 and a Caravell heater. Please can you advise on the problems I have got.

Cascade Mk1, turn it on, all ok then after a while (30 mins or so)you can hear the unit turn off underneath the caravan and then the green light goes out completely. (no winking). Restart it, same thing again

Caravelle heater, sometimes works (more often not), turn it on and it fires up for a while then green light starts to flash, I thought electrics or air in gas line. Have checked electrics, then are kicking out 14v. and gas line seems ok, cant detect any leaks of perished pipes.

Any Ideas??


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
28 October 2005, 8:14 PM
nev
Joined 28 Oct 2005
1 posts

Gary
I've seen this thread about the piezo igniter; I have the same problem with a Carver Trumatic SLP3002. I tried to follow your instructions but I cant find any contacts to clean up, the piezo cylinder seems to be permanently fixed inside the housing. Can you help? I can send a photo if necessary.
Regards
Nev

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
28 October 2005, 9:14 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Difficult Lounutty..Lounutty??
First thought is it has got to temperature, has it?
I'm really stuggling with this light going out though, does it flash if you turn the gas off and force it to fail and flash?
The Caravelle, are you saying it lights but shuts down after several seconds, in other words the control is sometimes not recognising the flame is lit. If it works sometimes then check all the connections are perfect particularly the yellow flame recognition wire and black earth wire to the switch. Pull the connection block off the switch and push it back on a couple of times to scratch a fresh connection.
Have a look at the flame while lit though the viewing window behind the front cover, it should be bright blue and 'dancing' very slightly on top of all four burners. There should be no sign of yellow 'lazy' flame on the burners although you might notice two orange flares higher above the flame rec and ignition electrodes.

The control switch of both these is more or less the same, only the temperature range and position of sensor differ which might give you a clue. You can swop the Cascade one to the Caravelle and see if it makes that work better, BUT NOT the other way round.
Particularly with the Cascade but probably with both it is doubtful if they have been out for a proper service in their lives and I always find silly faults like these are telling you something needs to be done to put them in good order.
Given the above see what more you can find out and get back to me either here or on the mobile.
One other thing worth mentioning is damp plays havoc with electronics so given the van is pre 85!?
Manual for the Cascade is here http://www.ukwebb.plus.com/cascade/
The Caravelle as I said works the same so the Cascade information will do more or less for the Caravelle


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
28 October 2005, 9:30 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

As a matter of fact I have just got hold of some genuine Carver 3002 Piezo's at £16..does that answer you question?
If no then they do come apart but as I remember the small cap is now that big mounting cup but it should still come out if you warm the cup with a hair dryer or hot air gun.


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
30 October 2005, 6:56 PM
lovejoyuk
Joined 30 Oct 2005
10 posts

I have just purchased a 1993 ace sunstar with a carver cascade 2 water system and was told to drain the water heater before winter so i tried today . The bung plug was solid and it broke whilst trying to loosen. I managed to get most of it out but a little was pushed right to the back of the opening will it affect the new bung going in also where can i get a new bung? Thanks

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
30 October 2005, 8:42 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi, yes you should get all of it out because the 'drilling' for the water to get into the water tank is small and in that area so could be partly blocked by it.
New drain bungs you should be able to get at your local dealers although they are now hanging in bags with Truma rather than Carver written on them which can be confusing!.
Any problems and I have plenty


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
30 October 2005, 10:52 PM
Paul
Joined 20 Jul 2005
8 posts

"The Cascade mk1 is the best caravan water heater ever made, probably, and as you say quick at about 1.5degs per minute plus they are also very frugal on gas. "

The more I use this (24 year old) caravan, the more impressed I am. The fridge is amazingly fast too - it's really cold in no time at all, with ice ready to add to my whisky almost as soon as I've had a couple of cups of coffee!


ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
31 October 2005, 0:02 AM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Really glad you are pleased Paul but not as old as mine though?...built October 80 for the 81 season
and I would suggest you have your coffee together with or...afterward!!


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
31 October 2005, 4:52 PM
smithyzen
Joined 31 Oct 2005
3 posts

I have recently aquired a caravan with a cascade mk 2 water heater, I cannot get it to light, the ignition clics for a few seconds and then stops and the red light comes on, I have tried all the fixes etc, also was bothers me more is the fact that the aux no 1 fuse keeps blowing, the only thinks on this circuit are the fridge and cooker ignition the heater and the cascade control, the heater and fridge ignition were not in use at the time and neither was the cooker ignition. I have checked the module and the circuit board fuse is ok and there are no signs of short circuiting or burning. I feel sure the cascade control is the problem
has any one else come across this ?

ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
31 October 2005, 8:06 PM
gary
Joined 13 Mar 2002
2288 posts

Hi, the module is/should be protected by one or two 1amp fuses so I cannot see how the module can be at fault for blowing a bigger fuse if the 1amps are intact.
If only fused at 1amp positive in the module then a positive to earth fault elsewhere will be the problem or the earth track in the module will suffer if it goes to earth through there.
It just may be the two wire to the old style Cascade control switch touching where they connect. It could be a similar problem on the other circuits or a good favourite is a trapped wire especially to the fridge.
On a general note all these ignition circuits should draw less than 1amp

What age is the van, which type control switch is it and what value the Auxiliary fuse?


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ALL CARVER CASCADE WATER HEATER, GAS FIRE, FANMASTER,P4 QUESTIONS HERE
2 November 2005, 10:54 PM
jay
Joined 2 Nov 2005
2 posts

gary
i need a replace ment carver 2 gas module
can u give me the price for replace ment or contract details
thks again
jay

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